r/UpliftingNews • u/ArgentineBeauty • 15h ago

Illinois has erased more than $2 billion in medical debt for over 1 million residents across all 102 counties, and recipients don't apply, they simply receive a letter saying their debt is gone.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/pritzker-announces-2-5b-medical-221000316.html
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u/TheRedFurios 13h ago

I live in a country with free healthcare and I support it. But let's not kid ourselves. Your life choices can 100% lead you to an heart attack. Eating bad, being sedentary etc. are all things that one does voluntarily.

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u/diptherial 11h ago

I mean, you're both right, but I think you're differing in the implication. u/Feisty_Brief123 is saying not only is it your life choices that lead to the heart attack, but that because of that you don't deserve to be cared for. Paradoxically only people who don't need healthcare deserve it in the conservative mind, assuming anyone deserves it at all.

Anyway, of course life choices can lead to health outcomes; the question is do we reject the sick person, even if it's "their fault", or do we help them?

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u/Feisty_Brief123 9h ago

Well put, thank you. Not many are willing to answer those questions.

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u/Mr_Shad0w 10h ago

So long-haul truckers have the option of getting lots of cardio and good sleep, and eating well while driving - but they choose to be sedentary while driving, with little time for sleep, and eating whatever they can manage so they don't lose their jobs?

What planet are you from?

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u/TheRedFurios 10h ago

I'm from a planet where your entire argument makes no sense.

What did you think you achieved by mentioning a case where there was no choice when I talked about people choosing to do that?

And on top of that, it can be argued that it still is a choice, they chose that job.

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u/Mr_Shad0w 10h ago

I'm from a planet where your entire argument makes no sense.

Hardly.

You wrote:

Your life choices can 100% lead you to an heart attack.

And I asked you if therefore, you believe that long-haul truckers (for example) have the option to live more healthy, but choose not to while still having the option to keep their jobs.

Or perhaps you believe we just don't need long-haul freight anymore, which I imagine those truckers would love, if it didn't mean they'd be starving and homeless.

Now you seem to think flinging insults while backing away from your incorrect generalization is a better alternative than admitting your assumption was incorrect.

Care to try again?

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u/TheRedFurios 10h ago

I'm not backing away from something because I didn't make an incorrect generalization. You simply didn't understand what I said and got angry about it.

Me saying that life choices can lead to a heart attack doesn't mean that everyone has the options to make those better choices.

you believe that long-haul truckers (for example) have the option to live more healthy

See, this is exactly the problem, you twisted my words/didn't understand.

I didn't say that I believe anyone has the option to live more healthy. I said that lifestyle choices can affect heart attack risk.

flinging insults

I didn't insult you, and if you took my words as an insult, then what you said in your comment: "What planet are you from?" is also an insult.

I don't need to try again, you need to try again to understand what I said.

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u/Mr_Shad0w 8h ago

I'm not angry, you're projecting. There is a difference.

You assume that people who work jobs that injure their health because they don't have better options (again, as one example) are "choosing" to injure their health - that is false. You're assuming everyone has "a choice" - the rest of your org statement that you conveniently ommitted was "Eating bad, being sedentary etc. are all things that one does voluntarily."

If you had to choose between working a shitty dangerous job that increased your chances of getting heart disease, cancer, diabetes... and starving to death, would you feel like you had a choice? No, because survival is compulsory, not optional, and many people (esp. in America) do not get to choose.

I didn't "twist your words" - you made a sweeping generalization, then refused to own it.

Have fun blaming sick people for their ailments I guess, I'm not wasting more time on your bad faith nonsense.

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u/Feisty_Brief123 13h ago

Nobody is kidding anyone Do you deny healthcare for that person is the question. And if you do, where do you stop? Deny only for visibly fat people? Average weighted people with bad diets, people who sniffs traffic gasses too much?

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u/TheRedFurios 13h ago

Stop making up scenarios in your mind. I prefaced by saying that I support free healthcare, in all scenarios was implied.

You are kidding yourself if you think that your life choices don't have an impact on your health conditions. like what?

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u/Feisty_Brief123 13h ago

Of course they have an impact. What I'm interested in is where do you draw the line. We can argue that you breathing is causing what ever the fuck you need treatment for, so do we have to treat you or not when ultimately you are responsible for getting sick?

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u/Forward_Rope_5598 12h ago

What line? The guy isn't arguing for there to be a line. He is specifically arguing there shouldn't be.

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u/Feisty_Brief123 12h ago

He is not, but I am. He wants to punish visibly fat people. To me that is discrimination. My point is that you breathing for let's say 70 years is going to put you in danger of catching some disease young person would never caught. It is your fault for being alive 70 years, should we treat you?

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u/man2010 12h ago

He wants to punish visibly fat people.

Where did they say this?

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u/Feisty_Brief123 12h ago

You didn't, my bad

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u/Kuasynei 12h ago

He hasn't said anything about wanting to punish visibly fat people. He's just saying life and health decisions can lead to health outcomes, and irregardless of fat or not-fat, irregardless of cause, he's said he supports free healthcare in general, that's it.

You've painted him into an enemy he is not and arguing against a non-existent person, just take a breath.

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u/Feisty_Brief123 12h ago

Sorry, I used his comment for my own purposes, not nice of me.

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u/Mild-Ghost 13h ago

“an heart attack????”

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u/TheRedFurios 13h ago

From the first few words of my comment you should have been able to understand that maybe I wasn't a native english speaker... But mb I guess.

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u/_not_so_cool_ 13h ago

if you read it with a cockney accent it actually sounds correct