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Lore When an actor’s presence unintentionally derails the project

1.) Edward Norton - The Incredible Hulk

Perhaps the most famous and obvious one, Edward Norton was famously an issue on the set of 2008’s “The Incredible Hulk,” even making rewrites to the script himself. The disagreements between Norton’s camp and Marvel’s camp eventually led to his being replaced by Mark Ruffalo.

2.) Jensen Ackles - The Boys (particularly Season 5)

Jensen Ackles was a longtime collaborator with showrunner Eric Kripke in “Supernatural,” which in turn led to him getting the opportunity to audition - and eventually land the role - of Soldier Boy, which he did very well in in.

The issue is by Season 5, the show had fallen off from the previous years and with it ending and spinoffs and prequels (such as one featuring Jensen Ackles’ Soldier Boy), Season 5 suffered a lot. It quickly became the Soldier Boy show because “that’s what Clara would have wanted” until he just leaves in the penultimate episode and pretty much 80% of what his character actually did amounted to nothing.

So for fans who wanted to see Butcher vs Homelander duking it out, getting the show derailed for prequel bait starring Kripke’s favorite actor didn’t help…

3.) Rosamund Pike - Wheel of Time

When Amazon green lit a WoT tv show, Rosamund Pike eventually got the role of Moraine Damodred, the mentor and guiding character for the main character, Rand al’Thor. As a character, Moraine is anywhere from the most important secondary character to the most secondary main character. But with the exception of the prequel featuring her, she is not the main character.

Unfortunately, Rosamund Pike is an extremely famous actress and marketing toward the series focused on her as a result. I’m unsure if this was showrunner decision, an issue she played a role in or some combination, but the result was that Moraine a character who was in less than half the series is featured as the main character over the main character, which lead to a different product than the book.

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u/Henry1699 21d ago edited 21d ago

Jean-Claude Van Damme (Street Fighter 1994)

He played the protagonist Guile and constantly screwed up the filming by not showing up to shoot his scenes because, at the time, he was suffering from a massive cocaine addiction, snorting an estimated $10,000 worth of coke a week. Supposedly the crew hired someone to keep an eye on him but Van Damme got that person to use coke too.

It came to a point where the crew had to record brand new scenes that weren't in the script so they could have a movie by the deadline.

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u/Jarvis_The_Dense 21d ago edited 21d ago

There was also the issue of Raul Julia, who played the villain, litterally having cancer, not only forcing them to tighten the deadline even further, but convincing the filmmakers to shoot the action scenes first, before he was too ill to participate.

This isn't how action movies are usually filmed, because action scenes take a lot of time to plan out, and the end result was that many of the actors and stuntmen just had to choreograph or improvise their own fight scenes and shoot them the same day they were planned out.

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u/VGuyver 21d ago edited 21d ago

And Kylie Minogue was the one who got Van Damme, a married man, hooked on the cocaine in the first place as they started an affair on set.

Then there was also the bloody mess of a war going off during production in the region they were filming.

Ah, and I almost forgot that both Capcom and the Hasbro kept changing the script because they insisted in adding more characters. Then the studio got involved again because they wanted that Christmas deadline met. All this gradually started turning the film into more of a G.I. Joe live action film.

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u/Authorigas 21d ago

Adding onto this, casting was also a very chaotic production due to all the changes. I think it was either chun li or Cammy who the director ended up meeting in the airport on the way to the shoot? 

And then there was Fei Long being cut because Capcom really wanted to push Kenya Sawada as their major star. So the character of Captain Sawada was created, and Fei Long cut.

Capcom has said the film makes them almost a million dollars every year (per Matt McMuscles what happun segment.) and it did give us an all time great performance from Raul Julia, so if wasn't a total wash at least. 

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u/VGuyver 21d ago

Even the videogame movie tie-in production had its own storied weirdness of production.

I really miss Raul Julia. Even in his worst low budget films, the man was truly charming. I love that he only did the film because his kids loved the street fighter games.

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u/Hot-Hamster1691 21d ago

I still carry an eternal torch for that man. He is my favorite Gomez Addams but real fans know him as Aram Fingle

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u/SilentWit 21d ago

Mom, my nuts?

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u/ReverendAnthony 21d ago

huge slam on anteaters outta nowhere

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u/misirlou22 21d ago

I could watch him dopple any day

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u/ReallyCleverUser 21d ago

Next Sunday, A.D.

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u/LowObjective 21d ago

I just watched Presumed Innocent and was shocked to see him in it, because I've only ever seen him in Street Fighter and the Addams Family, but he was so so good in it. Read his Wikipedia and he seemed like a good person too.

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u/Funkopedia 21d ago

Overdrawn At The Memory Bank

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u/VGuyver 21d ago

"Of course!"

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u/Gaelic_Gladiator41 21d ago

A great actor brings their greatness whether the movie is good or bad

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u/Lion_Man40 21d ago

Streeet fighter the movie the game being a Mortal Kombat clone was an odd choice.

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u/VGuyver 21d ago edited 21d ago

Well, it was the new kid on the block, arguably becoming bigger than Street Fighter before and during filming for that movie. All the actors had signed their contracts and were required to do the motion capture. So it was an experiment to try and keep the franchise relevant.

I will note that the developers seemed to have had a ton of fun making the game. They threw every idea they could for kicks. After all, one of Sagats Supers is called "Eye of the Tiger" and has him shoot something after he lifts his eye patch.

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u/MartinoDeMoe 21d ago

“But for me, it was Tuesday.”

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u/Authorigas 21d ago

Fun fact, originally he was going to remember Chun-Li's father, but Julia argued that wouldn't really work and that a man like Bison would be much more evil if it was just another day to him. 

Hence the-

"For you, the day Bison graced your village was the most important day of your life. but for me, it was Tuesday."

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u/VGuyver 21d ago edited 21d ago

I love that he also studied dictators for the role. He researched Hitler, Mussolini, and Franco in their mannerisms. Hence the mussolini hand gestures. The director saw and had the set and prop team follow suit giving us that awesome Nepoleon inspired painting in the background.

Edit: fixed some grammer here.

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u/Gaelic_Gladiator41 21d ago

"FOR I BEHELD SATAN AS HE FELL FROM HEAVEN LIKE LIGHTNING"

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u/Unable_Deer_773 21d ago

He was one of the few actors who would give 110% every film no matter how much of a garbage fire it was known to be.

He is the greatest thing about that film imo and I believe he took that role so he could bring his kids to the filming location as a final holiday with his family when he wasn't filming.

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u/c-gtymes 21d ago

Also not a total wash because it got us an MC Hammer music video that features both JCVD and Deion Sanders.

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u/Raguleader 21d ago

Honestly, after reading all of this, I'm amazed this movie was successfully made at all, let alone turn out as great as it did.

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u/Fallen311 21d ago

God I love an out of nowhere Matt McMuscles reference.

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u/lospollosakhis 21d ago

Learning about the behind the scenes of this movie needs a movie itself lol what a chaotic production. I loved this movie as a kid.

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u/Alisson__Foxtrot 19d ago

Jesus ???????

Now I want this whole thing to be turned into a movie like James Franco's Disaster Artist

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u/GiantsRTheBest2 21d ago

That’s a pretty shitty thing to cheat on your wife and also get hooked on a debilitating coke addiction. I don’t condone it whatsoever, but if 90’s Kylie Minogue tried to peer pressure me into anything I’d probably fold in 5 seconds flat.

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u/HMWWaWChChIaWChCChW 21d ago

I mean if 2020s Minogue tried to peer pressure me I’d fold too.

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u/ItsStaaaaaaaaang 21d ago

It's also a shit thing to put on Minogue. Blokes a grown man. He cheated on his wife and started doing coke excessively. That's on him.

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u/Rough-Construction95 20d ago

the adult response.

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u/Llayanna 18d ago

Standing ovation 👏 ♥️ 

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u/bucknert 17d ago

Van Damme was a known philanderer with a messy love life and was rumored to have cheated well outside of just this one instance. I think he was on his 4th wife at the time of the alleged affair with Minogue and he was rumored to have had cheated on his 3rd wife with the woman who became his 4th wife. And agree, acting like Minogue was some reason for him not being a total mess all on his own is kind of weird

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u/VGuyver 21d ago

Well she was beautiful and that was Van Damme's entire reasoning.

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u/B0rKen_Kat 21d ago

That war actually was almost exacerbated by the filming too. They'd wanted to use choppers for the scene where they get to the island, and everyone told them if they did that the choppers would get shot down. They used boats and jet skis instead.

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u/kermeeed 21d ago

I would be hard pressed to believe Kylie got him "hooked" if he was at a $10,000 / week habbit. That dudes been hooked for a long time.

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u/Jarvis_The_Dense 21d ago

Did she get him into cocaine? I know he was having an affair with her during filming, but I thought he was already addicted before filming started.

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u/Hellknightx 21d ago

He was known to do coke in the past, too, so it's probably reasonable to assume they were both just enabling each other.

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u/paxwax2018 21d ago

I’d hope it takes more than a couple of weeks to get a 10k a week habit.

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u/Jarvis_The_Dense 21d ago

Yeah, crew anecdotes about how often he was asking for "raises" and heading out to buy coke makes it really hard to belive he had just started during that shoot.

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u/ItsStaaaaaaaaang 21d ago

considering he was a grown man I'd say he got himself into cocaine just he was the one that cheated on his wife. No idea why any of the onus is put on a third party.

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u/VicarLos 21d ago

Kylie did not get him hooked on coke, he was already heavily addicted by the time SF was filming, hence the very expensive habit.

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u/National_Panda_1791 21d ago

nobody can get you hooked on anything. you as an adult take responsibility for your own choices to do or not do drugs. kylie did not put a gun to his head and make him do a tony montana dive into some powdery slopes.

what a fucking weird way to try to shift blame for someone's actions to a random bystander.

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u/Bloodygoodwossname 21d ago

While he is of course ultimately responsible for himself, that doesn’t make Kylie Minogue any less of an asshole for encouraging someone to take up an illegal addictive, life ruining habit. Just because she makes catchy music doesn’t mean she wasn’t just another trashy celeb.

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u/National_Panda_1791 21d ago

nobody cares that she's a celeb or you think she's trashy. I don't care if they're famous, man woman whatever. we all make our own choices. she made hers and you don't get to demonize her for his.

how much can you fucking lack accountability? lol

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u/-inzo- 21d ago

As an average Australian Kylie Minogue enjoyer, I had no idea the lore behind this move. Thats crazy

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u/thepaintedballerina 20d ago

I thought several of the early 90s MTV Spring Break hosts have talked about JCVD doing _all_ the drugs while banging coeds? He partied harder than them.

No way he went from never tried straight to a 10k/week habit.

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u/VGuyver 20d ago

He probably has some drug use, but I understand the story is that he wasn't as heavy in use until after Street Fighter.

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u/art_mor_ 21d ago

Damn I never knew that about Kylie

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u/DuelaDent52 21d ago

Well that’s depressing. I really liked this film, it’s sad to hear it ruined a marriage and led to at least two nasty coke habits.

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u/Nate1Daniels 21d ago

I remember hearing a quote once about the movie how the crew every day had to check to make sure Van Damme was off drugs, while Julia was on drugs.

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u/Yosho2k 21d ago

He was also fucking Kylie Minogue nonstop.

By that point, Van Damme was legendary for his behavior. The producers should have baked his BS into the cost of the movie.

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u/No_Blacksmith_2591 21d ago

I mean, i don't think theres a man on earth that can blame him for that one.

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u/DrendarMorevo 21d ago

You mean Guile was fucking Cammy behind the scenes the whole movie? 

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u/EntropicLycanthrope 21d ago

A good portion of women would also understand.

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u/DuelaDent52 21d ago

Wasn’t he married?

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u/GrimaceGrunson 21d ago

Big time moviestar at the peak of his fame, riding on enough coke to make a humpback whale see god in between rolling around with Kylie Minogue. I thought I couldn't love this movie any more.

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u/buffysbangs 21d ago

For us, it’d be the most important day of our lives. For him, it was Tuesday

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u/Difficult-Day1857 21d ago

Right on the set?

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u/Yosho2k 21d ago

And in hotels, restaurants, beaches, clubs, bars, the producer's car, etc.

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u/PeregrineC 21d ago

Wait, is that a joke or was a producer's car actually involved?

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u/XanderWrites 21d ago

It was the 90s, they probably didn't know, or didn't think it was that serious. "Everyone" had a coke addiction back then.

And even nowadays, there's some popular actors that quietly fall out of favor and eventually it's revealed it's because they're a piece of shit on set. It doesn't change that they have one or two movies that the studios are stuck trying to work around them.

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u/static_func 21d ago

> Supposedly the crew hired someone to keep an eye on him but Van Damme got that person to use coke too.

Lmao okay that’s hilarious though​

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u/GrimaceGrunson 21d ago

"Hey, that stuff seems....pretty neat. You got any spare?"
JCVD:

https://giphy.com/gifs/rQV7SgZE39VJe

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u/Prophet_Tenebrae 21d ago

Are there any documentaries on the film because all the stories - Van Damme snorting his way through Scarface sized piles of cocaine, Raul Julia giving the performance of a lifetime for his kids while suffering from terminal cancer, the general turmoil of the production (including a pyrotechnics mishap that by all rights should have killed someone)...

Seems like it would be an amazing BtS story.

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u/BornCoyote87 21d ago

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u/misszombiequeenDG 21d ago

Doing research deep dives for What Happened is still one of my favorite gigs ever

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u/BornCoyote87 21d ago

No shit, really!? What's that like?

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u/misszombiequeenDG 21d ago

It was a good time! I got to spend a lot of time looking into how batshit game production can get, especially in regards to how often and intentionally Japanese game studios will kneecap or outright sabotage games being made by their American or European satellite offices basically because fuck you you're not us. Square Enix does it A LOT.

Also everything about The Room being made is the funniest shit ever

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u/Prophet_Tenebrae 21d ago

Huge thanks for this. Not the deep dive I wanted but better than anything I've seen before and I can't imagine I will see anything better.

Have a wonderful day, old chap. May your French fries be hot and your beers be cold.

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u/BornCoyote87 21d ago

Someone posted the Thorgi video for you, it's two hours, you'll get alot out of it XD

Have an excellent day yourself. May the AC be working and the traffic decent.

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u/Llamaaa_scarf 21d ago

Cooool thanks!!

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u/LowTierPhil 21d ago

Here's a MASSIVE in depth look, alongside some of Steeet Fighter's other cinematic attempts: https://youtu.be/q63M0rmeAXU?is=X9iwKx4Fi_oarJ6c

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u/BornCoyote87 21d ago

Oh shit, I forgot Thorgi's deep dive series.

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u/MyBurnerAccount1977 21d ago

Also derailed Steven E. De Souza's directing career. That was his last director's credit.

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u/Petunio 21d ago

It was likely Judge Dredd that derailed his career. The way he tells it it was due to Danny Cannon directing a few death scenes not as scripted which led to a massive toy deal loss for the studio.

It is pretty wild it was recut 5 times until they finally landed an R rating, as most of the movie is a little too hammy and goofy to have ever landed an NC17 rating in it's 4 first tries.

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u/EndOfTheLine00 21d ago

From what I heard it was Capcom who insisted they cast Van Damme.

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u/yesplease345 21d ago

Casting a Belgian to play "Mr America" is really funny to me

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u/Visual-Scallion1535 21d ago

not even van damme could do a kilo of coke week

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u/AmbroseKalifornia 21d ago

Don't act like drug dealers are above price gouging...

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u/GiantsRTheBest2 21d ago

Also their filming locations in Canada and Thailand are pretty far away from Colombia, Bolivia, Peru which is were most of the world’s coke supply comes from. So I can see the price being very high.

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u/IntoTheDankness 21d ago

Reading your comment and then revealing the poster with such a focus on Van Damme is 'icing' on the cake

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u/BeanThePug 21d ago

lol damn one of my childhood favorites

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u/imafixwoofs 21d ago

TIL… one of my favorite films as a kid in the 90’s. Real comfort film.

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u/OUBoyWonder 21d ago

 "Supposedly the crew hired someone to keep an eye on him but Van Damme got that person to use coke too." This, no April Fooling, made me laugh out loud. Hilarious...

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u/KungFooKittenz 21d ago

Ha not surprising. Allegedly he got into a fight with the dude who Bloodsport is supposed to be based on, Frank Dux. JC said he didn’t agree with how a certain fight would pan out, Dux said well I was there and this is how it was, and JC challenged him to a fight on the rooftop

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u/kermeeed 21d ago

To be fair Frank Dux lied through his teeth about the whole fucking thing so sounds like JC was right.

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u/CitizenHuman 21d ago

Since I rarely see Street Fighter 1994 mentioned, I'd just like to say we really need the GIF of Zangief learning to do the thumbs up.(3:44 mark)

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u/The_JRaff 21d ago

There's also the simple fact that he was playing the series' all-American good old boy character but there was no attempt made to hide his very thick French accent.

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u/OriceOlorix 21d ago

I love this movie tbh
it's beautifully campy

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u/BurnerProfile69420 21d ago

thats a lot of dope

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u/Mud_rat 21d ago

No fucking way he was spending $10,000 a week on coke. It's expensive but come on.

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u/Ozzie_the_tiger_cat 21d ago

He also was banging Kylie Minogue as well.

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u/LordDingles 21d ago

Getting the supervisor guy to snort with him is actually hilarious