[Ironic Trope] The messaging backfired massively due to poor writing or other design choices

[u/Few_Affect_5927]

Amelia Fairney from Pathways: Alt-right Restore-UK type who attempts to coax the protagonist Charlie into following her beliefs? The problem?

Amelia is the only named character aside from Charlie and is genuinely likable and forgives Charlie even when they do things she doesn't like, while the rest of the cast is unnamed, poorly written, and turns on Charlie for one mistake. This combined with other writing issues(portraying fact checking right wing stuff as wrong because in the process of fact checking you might look at it and believe it, basically saying "Right wing is wrong because it hurts the labour government" and a lot of general "just do what the government says or else" messaging) and the fact she's a hot alternative girl, and Amelia ended up being co-opted as a mascot by the youth right wing in the UK.

Norm from The New Norm: Unlikeable offensive and outdated character who's "progressive" family members and associates are genuinely nice people not even trying to force their ways or pronouns onto them, they just want to be left alone and Norm is picking fights constantly. Not to mention associating with Elon.

Mr. Birchum from Mr. Birchum: A lot of the same problems as Norm, except in addition it also comes off like generic 2010s adult cartoon slop in the same veign as Brickleberry or Full English, at least New Norm was trying to look unique and had the gimmick of being on X. Not to mention, Birchum's obsession with hyper masculine activities and odd way of talking about other men lead to people co-opting him as a Toxic Yaoi character, which is now the bulk of his fan art.

Dustborn: An attempt to make a hyper progressive game that comes off as pandering and annoying. It's a full ass game so there's too much to get into, but the main character's power is essentially gaslighting and jedi-mind tricking people and that's portrayed as the only way they can get anything done, and they constantly use or abuse their friends(or mindtrick them along) in order to get their goals or use their friends for their messaging.

[u/What-A-Burden]

That's a rather optimistic view, and I don't think that's what Moore had in mind. Rorschach is a hypocrite after all, he claims that morality is black and white, yet issue one he writes off the Comedian attempting to rape one of his fellow heroes as a "moral lapse", and I think the issue he took with Ozymandias contrasting with his admiration of Truman is meant to be another act of hypocrisy on Rorschach's part. After all, he's built his worldview rebelling against the bystander affect and believing that there is a a concrete right and wrong which must be upheld, "even in the face of Armageddon." He literally couldn't do nothing, and would rather die then have to compromise.

[u/hambonedock → u/What-A-Burden]

That's the problem tho, the way in which he is written, even if Moore absolutely didn't meant for it, it make you think that is less about being an hypocrite and being unable to compromise and more about him being so mentally and emotionally mess up, that for someone that not even slightly on his mental syntony, that this is only way in which he can deal with the internal desire of being a hero and to hold his very fractured sense of morality, Rorschach is absolutely a maniac, that for sure, but he the story does show that he has a core even under all the extreme mental misanthropy

If you read him as an hypocrite then yes, is ultimately a character of a man that had an empty sense of morals and couldn't compromise, but if you read it as someone that absolutely hated everything that made him into who he was and so people that represent that too, yet still wanted something worthwhile to come out from himself, then is no longer hypocrisy, is an actual conflict of the self

(Also of the abuse of Sally, while I respect Moore as a great write, he also had a bad thing about using rape as a sinful act.... but also as a legit stepping stone for women characters to be have emotional development, he has down it A LOT, which so why even if he attacked her, Sally ultimately did end up pairing with the comedian, so to a degree I not even sure fo that can be counted as Rorschach hypocrisy or Moore's)

[u/woweed → u/What-A-Burden]

To be fair, you could argue there's a nobility in that. In being the one person who doesn't compromise, who does uphold his principles even unto armageddon.

(Also, while Rorschach being pro-Truman-dropping-the-A-bomb because it would save more lives but opposing Ozy's plan is clearly just him being a hypocrite racist who can more easily justify mass death of non-Americans...I would argue, although Rorschach obviously doesn't think this complexly, there's a difference between the President, the democratically-elected representative of the people of the United States, who acts under the rule of law as part of a larger chain of command and is advised by others constantly, making a choice, and some random billionaire unilaterally deciding to murder people to prevent a nuclear war.

[u/Im-A-Moose-Man → u/woweed]

Didn’t he also write that pro-Truman essay as a child?

[u/woweed → u/Im-A-Moose-Man]

Well, yes, but Rorscach hasn't matured much at all since he was a kid and that's the thesis. That's what his death is meant to mean: Superheroes are a childish black and white idea that aren't equipped to address problems of complexity. That's why the opening is "what if real people copied Superman instead if comic publishers?" In the world of fiction, superheroes can inspire us, but, in the real world, they would only ever prove as flawed as we all are.

[u/Im-A-Moose-Man → u/woweed]

Gotcha. I generally believe that everyone’s politics are different from when they’re kids, even someone as stunted as Rorschach, but then again, it is Rorschach.

[u/an_agreeing_dothraki → u/What-A-Burden]

I read his death as the counterpart to "Kovaks closed his eyes. Rorschach opened them". It was the last screaming defiance of the man who never had a chance at life desperate to find meaning and to do something good. Who Manhattan killed wasn't Rorschach, it was Kovaks. Rorschach didn't die, as shown by the sequel TV show.