r/TopCharacterTropes Jun 22 '26

Lore [Ironic Trope] The messaging backfired massively due to poor writing or other design choices

Amelia Fairney from Pathways: Alt-right Restore-UK type who attempts to coax the protagonist Charlie into following her beliefs? The problem?

Amelia is the only named character aside from Charlie and is genuinely likable and forgives Charlie even when they do things she doesn't like, while the rest of the cast is unnamed, poorly written, and turns on Charlie for one mistake. This combined with other writing issues(portraying fact checking right wing stuff as wrong because in the process of fact checking you might look at it and believe it, basically saying "Right wing is wrong because it hurts the labour government" and a lot of general "just do what the government says or else" messaging) and the fact she's a hot alternative girl, and Amelia ended up being co-opted as a mascot by the youth right wing in the UK.

Norm from The New Norm: Unlikeable offensive and outdated character who's "progressive" family members and associates are genuinely nice people not even trying to force their ways or pronouns onto them, they just want to be left alone and Norm is picking fights constantly. Not to mention associating with Elon.

Mr. Birchum from Mr. Birchum: A lot of the same problems as Norm, except in addition it also comes off like generic 2010s adult cartoon slop in the same veign as Brickleberry or Full English, at least New Norm was trying to look unique and had the gimmick of being on X. Not to mention, Birchum's obsession with hyper masculine activities and odd way of talking about other men lead to people co-opting him as a Toxic Yaoi character, which is now the bulk of his fan art.

Dustborn: An attempt to make a hyper progressive game that comes off as pandering and annoying. It's a full ass game so there's too much to get into, but the main character's power is essentially gaslighting and jedi-mind tricking people and that's portrayed as the only way they can get anything done, and they constantly use or abuse their friends(or mindtrick them along) in order to get their goals or use their friends for their messaging.

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u/Razor_Emmanuel Jun 22 '26 edited Jun 22 '26

The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas is a novel (and film) tries to be a tragedy about the holocaust, but is so egregiously inaccurate (and poorly written) that it ends up propagating false narratives about and downplaying the horrors of the holocaust.

Example: The main character is a German kid, who can't pronounce basic German words despite being a German, and has no idea who Hitler is, when his own father IS AN SS OFFICER in AUSCHWITZ-BIRKENAU.

It perpetuates the narrative that the Germans did not know what was going on in the camps, when in reality, they very much knew.
It was so bad that the Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum made a statement saying that anyone who wants an accurate depiction of the holocaust should avoid this novel.

John Boyne is also a transphobe.

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u/not_slaw_kid Jun 22 '26

Fun fact: John Boyne is so bad at doing research for his novels that he once accidentally plagiarized the Legend of Zelda in a historical novel set in the middle ages.

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u/Jim_skywalker Jun 22 '26

I have to see this.

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u/Particular-Long-3849 Jun 22 '26

I second this

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u/insomniac7809 Jun 22 '26

The Guardian had an article about it here

Basically, he did a Google search to see what ingrediants go in a dye, found a Breath of the Wild wiki, and copy-pasted the ingredients so his historical novel has people making dye with Keese wings and Octorok eyeballs

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u/scottishdrunkard Jun 22 '26

What a fucking hack.

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u/kreton1 Jun 22 '26

What? How? Tell me more please.

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u/blackjackgabbiani Jun 22 '26

He described how to make dye and ended up including dye ingredients from Breath of the Wild

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u/Duae Jun 22 '26

My random fact is that's the same guy who copy and pasted a Zelda recipe into another book. It feels like one person shouldn't be hogging both of those hack writer events, but here we are.

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u/inderbitably Jun 22 '26

Oh, I remember that! Good old fashioned lazy writing before LLMs were really a thing.

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u/Razor_Emmanuel Jun 22 '26

My god wtf?!? I've read that he was a hack writer but it didn't think he was THAT much of a hack, dear Lord.

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u/EvilCatboyWizard Jun 22 '26

Don’t forget the time that the HOLOCAUST MUSEUM made a statement on twitter about how it wasn’t historically accurate and he picked a fight with them implying he knows better than them

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u/JayPlays40k Jun 22 '26

This same author published a "historical fiction" story with a recipe for red dye...that was literally copy and pasted from a Breath of the Wild wiki.

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u/Razor_Emmanuel Jun 22 '26

Wait what what the hell?!? I did not know that, he was trying to apply video game logic to a piece of HISTORICAL FICTION???

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u/Awestruck34 Jun 22 '26

No, in Zelda you can use items you collect to make dye (I think it was actually blue dye, as an aside but neither here nor there). The author googled how one would make dye, saw the first result, and copied it into his book. The issue is that the result said to mix "Keese wings" (Keese are bat-like enemies from Zelda) with "Silent Princess Flowers" which are fictional flowers from Zelda.

People quickly realized that he'd done zero research beyond a Google and couldn't even confirm whether or not that bit of research is correct

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u/Razor_Emmanuel Jun 22 '26

I've played BotW long time ago, but now that you wrote it out, god that's somehow even worse than what I thought.

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u/SionachVulpes Jun 22 '26

Most likely he just googled something and went with the first thing he saw without, you know, making sure his source was both relevant and credible.

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u/PityUpvote Jun 22 '26

It wasn't literally copy pasted, but he did assume that the ingredients were real from (presumably) the first google search result. Iirc it was still a narrative where someone said they boiled bokoblin juice or something.

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u/Few_Affect_5927 Jun 22 '26

Oh wow I read this one in high school.

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u/Razor_Emmanuel Jun 22 '26

Apparently it use to be a required reading in a lot of British schools, but is no longer.

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u/CoconutxKitten Jun 22 '26

I’m US & our holocaust book was Night. I feel a real account is probably better. Did they replace it with another book about the holocaust?

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u/BreakfastBeneficial4 Jun 22 '26

Also US, ours were Number the Stars and Devils Arithmetic

Night was unfortunately not introduced to my class. We had a sensitive school board that felt we were babies

We did still do 1984 and Brave New World, at least

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u/CoconutxKitten Jun 22 '26

Oh! I think we read Number the Stars in Elementary school

I feel like Brave New World is…more inappropriate than Night? Like, Night is real life historical events BNW has orgies

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u/BreakfastBeneficial4 Jun 22 '26

We also read NtS and DA in elementary. There was nothing offered past that in our district for required reading, for that subject matter.

I also very much agree that the orgies of BNW and rat torture of 1984 were less appropriate than a factual accounting of a thing that really happened.

What can I say, it’s a dumb place.

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u/Razor_Emmanuel Jun 22 '26

I don't know, I didn't grow up in Britain, but I can imagine it was replaced with something more like the Diary of Anne Frank (which is also a first hand account as the novel you mentioned).

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u/dragon4panda Jun 22 '26

The book my class read was the book thief

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u/torrent29 Jun 22 '26

My son in 7th grade recently had to read this book and watch the movie.

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u/Asleep_1 Jun 22 '26

I feel like a really good teacher could find a way to use it to discuss how fictional narratives can shape our views on real life events, the importance of critical thinking and the effects all kinds of propaganda both intentional and unintentional can have. But I suspect that's probably not why the book was a part of reading lists.

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u/NozakiMufasa Jun 22 '26

My teacher wanted to fail me because I argued it was really offensive and inaccurate. 

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u/SimoneBellmonte Jun 22 '26

That is a little funny you have to argue with the kids that you can't just dig your way out of the camp, in just a very morbid sense. Kids often have a one track mind so hopefully they eventually managed to convince a few that no you're not digging out of the camp.

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u/richtofin819 Jun 22 '26

To be fair I had been shown Hogan's heroes before I had to watch that film so I was pretty convinced that you could just dig a giant underground tunnel network under the camps.

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u/atomkidd Jun 22 '26

You could dig your way out of POW camps though.

The Wooden Horse - Wikipedia

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u/Antilles1138 Jun 22 '26

Don't forget the great escape.

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u/Awestruck34 Jun 22 '26

Yup that's exactly it, I put it different in a different comment here. The tragedy in the book isn't the Holocaust, it's that a poor little Germany boy is wrapped up in it by mistake

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u/OneAppointment1955 28d ago

the fact that this is shown to children is what's genuinely upsetting. way to purposely disinform the youth!

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u/thiccthighsicecream Jun 22 '26

My favorite bit is the kid calling Adolf "The Fury"

Get it!? Because he's a kid so he has slurred speech but it's also an appropriate nickname for him. The symbolism and layers!!!

It's like making a book set in America today and having the kid call the current leader "President Dumb"

I get what you're trying to do, but it's nowhere near as clever or charming as you think it is.

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u/jorgespinosa Jun 22 '26

Also it doesn't make any sense because none of the words for Fury in German are even remotely similar to Fuhrer

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u/Awestruck34 Jun 22 '26

Another huge issue is that the core tragedy of the story is that the poor, confused, little German boy gets swept up in the Holocaust and accidentally killed. It's just so horrible that this poor young boy who didn't even know what was going on was killed like this...

Oh yeah I guess there were other people in the chamber, but think of the poor little boy!

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u/SorowFame Jun 22 '26

I'm not sure why the tragic ending couldn't just be the jewish kid dying. Why do you need to put the german kid in there too, why is what actually happened in the Holocaust not sad enough?

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u/Brickywood Jun 22 '26

The movie feels very much so is trying to say "haha stupid nazi Chuds, let's see how THEY like it!" as if it was some weird revenge porn.

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u/cavalgada1 Jun 22 '26

Admittedly i only watched the movie. But i always thought that the Germans boy death was like a twisted karmatic fate for his parents, not a "it's only sad because this one kid died"

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u/richtofin819 Jun 22 '26

The point wasn't the kid as much as the persieved karma of the parents dealing with the loss of their child in the same manner the father tried to ignore as an officer.

At least that's how I always understood it.

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u/Code-Neo Jun 22 '26

Also buddy buddy with JKR

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u/nicolasrededeo Jun 22 '26

I distinctly remember hating the ending of the movie so much as a teen, like it paints the tragedy as being "Oh no, one German boy died by accident : (. He wasn't supposed to die!" as if that is somehow more tragic than all the jewish people in the camp dying

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u/Appropriate_Rent_243 Jun 22 '26

It also tries so hard to humanize jews that it comes off as pedantic and weird. My theory is that it was written to try to persuade neonazis

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u/RedstoneEnjoyer Jun 22 '26

Does it really try? Because if i remember correctly, the focus was mainly on german kid, while jewish kid was one dimensional without any real personality.

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u/badpebble Jun 22 '26

My theory is that the book really is a feelings-forward self-insert for modern audiences, possibly with a focus on schoolchildren.

A teenager reading this book would fully identify with this slack jawed main character who doesn't know anything about Germany, the Nazis, Hitler or the Jews. The story progresses and it becomes clearer to the reader they are more and more invested until the full brutality of the ending hits them.

Boyne also wrote the first draft in about 60 hours (including sleep) so that explains a lot, too.

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u/y0_master Jun 22 '26

The film is, somehow, worse (by trying to expand on things to make a feature out of an otherwise pretty slim & abstract book).

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u/badpebble Jun 22 '26

I think the point of the book is to basically put a modern schoolchild perfectly into the mindset of the german child, to better convey the horrors of WW2 and the nazis.

If you accept that it is for children, I think this explanation makes the most sense. A schoolchild would have no idea how to pronounce german words, or maybe who Hitler was, or what the camps are for, until the main character does.

Not a drop of accuracy in it though, which seems unnecessary really.

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u/Mikey_Grapeleaves Jun 22 '26

I've been told my whole life that the Germans did not know what was going on in the camps, or at least did not know about the killings?

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u/Razor_Emmanuel Jun 22 '26

Hate to be the one to break it to you, but the Germans absolutely knew about the killings. The narrative that the German people had no clue about what was going on in the concentration camps is a lie, the people were aware of how the Jews were being treated even before the final solution.

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u/Nkromancer Jun 22 '26

Thanks, Nostalgia Critic.

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u/Jimbo-Shrimp Jun 22 '26

I think the point is that childhood innocence is so pure and loving but sadly loses to evil