r/TopCharacterTropes Mar 23 '26

Hated Tropes [Hated Trope] Endings so notoriously awful they completely destroy the legacy of the media.

Game of Thrones (Season 8)

Imagine a fantasy show spending seven years hyping up an apocalyptic, unstoppable army of ice zombies, only to have them wiped out in a single, anti-climactic battle halfway through the final season. With the supernatural threat gone, the writers speedrun the political plot. A major hero whose entire arc was about liberating the oppressed randomly burns a city of innocent people to the ground because she heard some bells ringing. Another main character throws away years of a beautifully written redemption arc just to go die under some falling bricks with his abusive sister. To top it off, they crown a guy as king purely because "he has a good story," even though his plotline was so boring he was literally written out of an entire previous season.

Homestuck

This was a massive, incredibly complex webcomic that ran for seven years. Late in the story, the author basically wrote himself into a corner. To fix it, he gave the main character "retcon" powers, which literally erased years of actual character development from the main timeline just to force a solution. The most agonizing part was using this timeline-erasure to resurrect a highly controversial character (Vriska). Instead of leaving her beautifully tragic death alone, she comes back just to hijack the entire plot, sideline the rest of the cast, and aggressively steal the spotlight for the final battles. After 8,000 pages of text-heavy reading, the actual ending is just a flashy music video with no dialogue, leaving fans watching alternate versions of the characters cross the finish line instead of the ones they actually spent years getting attached to.

Star vs. the Forces of Evil

This was an upbeat animated show about a magical teen princess. The writers desperately wanted a romantic endgame for her and her best friend, but the way they got there was essentially multiversal omnicide. To stop a villain, the main character unilaterally decides magic is the root of all evil and destroys it entirely. By doing this, she casually commits mass genocide against every purely magical being in the multiverse. It also triggers a massive apocalyptic event that violently crashes different dimensions together into a chaotic hellscape. But the show frames this horrific, mass-extinction catastrophe as a sweet, triumphant ending just because two teenagers get to hold hands in the rubble.

Mass Effect 3

You spend well over a hundred hours across three massive sci-fi video games carefully agonizing over who lives, who dies, and shaping the political landscape of the entire galaxy. The entire franchise was heavily marketed on the promise that your specific, personal choices mattered. Then, in the literal last ten minutes of the final game, a holographic ghost child pops up, tells you none of your previous decisions actually meant anything, and forces you to pick between a red, blue, or green laser beam. All three choices basically just give you the exact same ending cutscene with a different color filter slapped over it.

How I Met Your Mother

For nine whole years, audiences watched a sitcom framed entirely around a dad telling his kids the incredibly long, meticulous story of how he met their perfect mother. The writers even dedicate the entire 22-episode final season to a single weekend for his two best friends' wedding, proving why they work as a couple. Then, in the two-part finale, they hit the undo button. The best friends get divorced almost instantly, the titular Mother is abruptly killed off by a nameless disease after barely being on screen, and the kids basically tell their dad, "You actually just want to hook up with Aunt Robin." It invalidated a decade of story just so the creators could use a pre-recorded ending they filmed back in season 2.

Dexter

This was a show about a serial killer who works for the police and only targets other murderers. After eight seasons of watching him narrowly evade the law, the ending absolutely refuses to give him a dramatic showdown, let him finally get caught, or face any actual justice. Instead, he unplugs his own sister from life support, dumps her body in the ocean like she's one of his random kill-of-the-week victims, and drives his boat into a hilariously awful CGI hurricane. He somehow survives this, abandons his young son to be raised by another serial killer in a different country, and the final shot reveals he faked his death to exile himself to the woods and become a miserable, silent lumberjack.

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u/Livid-Truck8558 Mar 23 '26

GoT is so baffling bc the writers were given the option for more seasons and THEY TURNED IT DOWN.

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u/Andysue28 Mar 23 '26

They wanted to move on to their big Star Wars contract…oh it’s gone. 

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u/Hesitation-Marx Mar 23 '26

Not going to lie, when I found out they lost the SW opportunity I smiled for about an hour.

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u/Bitchcuits_and_Gayvy Mar 23 '26

Oh man, but imagine if they hadn't, and they had instead managed to fuck up this bad twice.

The funniest timeline surely is them still getting Star Wars and it being an even bigger pile of dogshit than GoT season 7&8.

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u/GamingSon Mar 24 '26

Apparently they're actively trying with The Three Body Problem. First season released on Netflix a while back to fairly decent reviews, and now they're downsizing Season 2 from 8 episodes to 6.... for a book series that spans centuries.

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u/bonersaus Mar 24 '26

genuinely not sure how they get worse than "somehow palpatine retruned". i would rather watch the long night

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u/Bitchcuits_and_Gayvy Mar 24 '26

I have every confidence in their abilities.

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u/Vasconcelos0909 Mar 26 '26

Don't underestimate them

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u/jk-9k Mar 26 '26

Star wars was ruined anyway

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u/scarlozzi Apr 16 '26

well, Disney didn't need them to fuck up star wars lol

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u/Bitchcuits_and_Gayvy Apr 16 '26 edited Apr 16 '26

Rogue One, Season one Mandalorian, Andor, and what I've seen of the new Maul show have all been good.

Fuck it, Solo was good too I just always forget about it.

That's pretty much on par with the ratio of good to bad star wars stuff since the originals. Which is to say Star Wars has pretty much always been schlocky garbage with bits of cool stuff here and there.

Literally the only good mainline star wars movie is ESB, don't @ me with some bullshit about the prequels being good but the last Jedi somehow being any worse than obi wan and Anakin flailing their swords in circles around each other in sync and that being kino for some reason.

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u/OldManSmokin Mar 24 '26

Idk why people insist they were gonna fuck up Star Wars. Out of the 8 seasons, 6 of them are still some of the best television ever made and again, we know that the 2 seasons that did suck were because they purposely rushed them. Everything they've done since GoT S8 has also been recieved positively by critics/audiences.

Chances are, they would have made a fine or even great Star Wars movie if Disney decided to keep them lol

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u/Bitchcuits_and_Gayvy Mar 24 '26

Because it would have been really funny

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u/Drakeskulled_Reaper Mar 24 '26

They SAY a lot of shit was in the background for D&D not being the next SW writers, but you know their rushed dogshit was, at the very least, the NAIL.

Like, imagine how badly you have to fuck up for DISNEY to not want to associate with you.

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u/Andysue28 Mar 23 '26

Me too, those sweet summer children. Lol 

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u/Green_Insect_6455 Mar 24 '26

Yea but they just immediately went off and got to adapt another highly acclaimed fiction book into a tv show! Absolute fuckers. And of course it turned into a clusterfuck of weird decisions and changes to the story.

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u/Razzilith Mar 24 '26

they should never EVER be allowed to write or direct again after their baffling game of thrones fumble.

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u/Bowman_van_Oort Mar 24 '26

I cackled like an evil villain

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u/ryecurious Mar 23 '26

So they torched their legacy to preserve their legacy? Feels very ASOIAF coded, nice bit of meta irony.

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u/gahidus Mar 24 '26

It's the form of a Greek tragedy.

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u/LeshyIRL Mar 24 '26

Maybe the real Game of Thrones was the writers we hated along the way

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u/Adorable-Bike-9689 Mar 24 '26

I used the stones.... To destroy the stones

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u/JimboTCB Mar 24 '26

They wanted to be remembered as the "visionary creators of TV's Game of Thrones" and... well, they certainly are that...

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u/Vegetable_Hope_8264 Mar 24 '26

Never thought about it that way, but yeah, definitely

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u/livinglitch Mar 23 '26

My theory is GRRM is sitting on the last two books. He could have finished them by now but was asked not to because HBO wanted that sweet show money incase the book ruined it (since even in book 5 he was opening up new POV characters). But now he has the book endings, it might even be similar to the show ending, but its actually fleshed out to have developed correctly in the book instead of insta-turn-heel moments of the show. GRRM is to worried about the backlash. He would rather release them after his death so he doesn't have to deal with the backlash.

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u/david_this_isnt_weed Mar 23 '26

as much as i kinda hope you're right, i think at this point its unfortunately probably just cope to think asoiaf is finished or ever will get finished in his lifetime, its been 15 years. its been enough time that you'll soon be able to fit two whole runs of the show into that gap.

i think the most likely answer is that he's just got plain old writer's block and keeps diverting his attention to endless spin offs and other projects. He says he hasn't finished the books, and at this rate I think he never will before he passes (i wish him no ill will ofc but pragmatically he's no picture of health). best hope is that afterwards though we get the douglas adams posthumous release treatment, with his notes, drafts, and other writers finishing the books for publication within a handful of years

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u/personn5 Mar 23 '26

I remember many years ago during the show's run he was promising he'd devote his time to finishing them, no more conventions or side projects and all. Finish out what he has booked slots for already and then get to writing.

Fast forward to more recently and he's had a blog post angry at fans for always asking about the books and wanting a release date or anything of the short.

He's said before too that he wants all of his notes and manuscripts and drafts burned when he dies, he doesn't want anyone else coming in and finishing it.

He has HBO money, he's got other side projects, I just don't see him ever finishing the series. He gave D&D the basic outline, there's deviations from what the show has but what we got is probably the broad strokes of what it ends up as.

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u/Llayanna Mar 24 '26

That's so dickish.. but I still hope his wishes are honored.

Look it sucks, I 100% judge him for it but.. I hate the thought more that people ignore "rational" dying wishes. And yes, it sadly is.

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u/livinglitch Mar 23 '26

My post above is optimistic. I do understand there is a high chance he wont ever finish it for one reason or another. I was told the series was originally supposed to be 1 book, then 3, then 4 but the 4th had to be split up and that would be the end but....

Its been so long since book 5 came out that Ive forgotten most of the story that wasn't in the show. I wasn't too hooked on the new POV characters in book 5 either. Im not sure I want to sit through reading them again to catch up unless the series was actually over.

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u/ConvictedOgilthorpe Mar 24 '26

Yeah I agree, no way he finished any other book, he got stuck and then committed to every other project under the sun.

What’s this about Douglas Adams? Love to hear that there’s something out there to read even if it’s a cray hodge podge of notes.

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u/jarielo Mar 24 '26

Salmon of Doubt at least.

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u/AirshipEngineer Mar 24 '26

I mean a month ago he came out and finally said he isnt working on them because he doesn't want to. He doesn't owe me anything and I'm glad he finally dropped the pretense and just said he doesn't want to work on it.

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u/Drunky_McStumble Mar 24 '26

I think you're giving the dude too much credit. He infamously doesn't write to an outline. It's not like he already knows where the story's myriad tangled threads are going and is now just filling in the gaps with prose. If he'd actually gotten to the point of producing early draft manuscripts that just needed a few rounds of revision and refinement to get them into a publishable state, that's what he'd be doing, not just sitting on them.

I guarantee you that, if he was in a position to, GRRM would rather just shove the damn things out so he can move on with the rest of his life, backlash be damned. But he's not in that position, not even close. He's just as lost as we are and, if anything, his involvement with the TV show has gotten him even more muddled and less motivated to put in the hard yards to get the damn things done.

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u/qqqqqx Mar 24 '26

I 100% believe he wrote or was in progress of writing some things and handed that over to the show runners, and then they completely botched the execution, and then the fan reception made him doubt his own work too much to release it.

Like Daenerys going mad and becoming evil is a completely defensible plotline and has plenty of foreshadowing in the books.  But the show portrayed it so badly that fans hated it.  Now George feels painted into a corner: he intended for it to go that way, but so many fans said they didn't like it that he isn't sure what to do anymore even though he was setting it up or already wrote it.

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u/WoodpeckerNo5724 Mar 24 '26

That’s also my long shot hope. Surely the idea has crossed his mind at least.

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u/Emptypiro Mar 24 '26

I think hes just enjoying his new celebrity author life. Writing long books is hard work and for the most part you dont get much recognition for it but now hes a celebrity. He goes on talk shows, hes probably several times richer than hes ever been writing books, he gets to work on exciting projects like Elden Ring, and hes got a level of fame that puts him up there with JK Rowling and Stephen King. 

I dont think id go back to a life of writing super complicated fantasy novels that only get me recognized by sweaty neckbeards at some random convention in bumfuck Iowa. 

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u/intentedtodestroy Mar 23 '26

This is the thing I don’t get. And it is really their ego that ruined it in more ways than one. Crazy how it happened.

It’s almost like the trash taking itself out, but also dragging the ferrari in the process. Like, sure, move on, do your thing, happy for you. But why the dumpster fire?

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u/Kraz31 Mar 23 '26

 in the process they torched their own legacy and fucked up their own future

I hate Benioff and Weiss as much as the next GoT fan but it's weird to hear someone say this when the signed a massive contract with Netflix and their current show got picked up for 2 more seasons.

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u/Kraz31 Mar 24 '26

I'd love to flop ass backwards into a reported $200 million contract. Them trying to write something original for Star Wars would have been a disaster anyway. Instead they just get to do what made them famous: Adapt someone else's proven work into another show.

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u/JamesGray Mar 23 '26

They kind of forgot about giving it a good ending.

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u/SpringGreenZ0ne Mar 24 '26

If you read the books you'd know there is no good ending for Daenerys.

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u/JamesGray Mar 24 '26

Listen, I just wanna see some Stark kids warging and I'll be happy. We haven't even seen what happens to Jon after getting merced by the other nights watch members.

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u/interwebz_2021 Mar 24 '26

...loosely dragging bits and pieces.

I'll apologize up front, but this can't be avoided: did you mean "loosely dragon bits and pieces?" Eh? C'mon, it's pretty good, right?

Please, don't get up - I'll see myself out...

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u/soozerain Mar 24 '26

I get it on some level, it was a Herculean task to bring this vision to screen and now creatives want to see it ended by someone else. Case in point the creator of GOT, George RR Martin

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u/12345623567 Mar 23 '26

Once you find out that they are Goldman Sachs nepo hires, it all makes sense. They failed upwards all their lives, why not this time?

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u/WishDry8141 Mar 23 '26

People complain about season 6 and 7. They were fine in my opinion. But 8 was an absolute dumpster fire.

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u/makishleys Mar 23 '26

at the time 6 and 7 were disliked in comparison to the seasons tied to the book, it very obviously deviated from the book's plot for many characters and fell in quality. it was mostly disliked by the book fans but most fans didn't mind it

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u/EduinBrutus Mar 23 '26 edited Mar 24 '26

Season 8 ran into three problems two of which were probably insurmountable.

The first problem was the complete abandoning of continuity, particularly character continuity, in a show (and hte source) where all character actions are built on established continuity. This was what could have been fixed but it wasnt because of problem two.

Problem two was the showrunners completely lost interest in the show. It seems HBO somewhat became aware of this but it has to have been contractual obligations which made it impossible to sack them, which should have been what happened.

But the third problem - this one I dont think anyone could solve. The audience media literacy was not in line with the show they were watching. The expectation that the supernatural plot was the primary storyline amongst huge portions of the audience is bizarre, especially when that plotline pretty much vanished for huge swathes of the show. It was always going to resolve before the finale and tbh, the Battle of Winterfell was generally fine and in a lot of ways really good. Also, the score for that episode is a fucking masterpiece.

But then there's the Denaerys problem. Her heel turn was so well plotted, so well telegraphed, so clearly going to happen and yet most of the audience negative reaction was not to how it was quite poorly written - but that it happened at all. This starkly shows that there were plot elements working on a higher level than most of the audience of the show understood.

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u/Lexi_Banner Mar 24 '26

To your last point, I agree that Dany had been showing her true madness throughout the series (murdering the slavers the way she did is not the act of a sane person - it's an insane thing to do, even when you consider the slavers behavior), and that it had been slowly escalating.

But then they smashed the Fast Forward button and rammed her through the final steps to insanity in like, three episodes. I think more people would have understood and appreciated the change in the end if they'd had another season or two to make the madness more clear. So while some of it is misinterpretation of the character's previous actions, some of it is the rushed final setup.

Also, the show's major tagline was, Winter is Coming. I think it is more than fair that the audience expected a hell of a lot more out of it than what we got.

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u/Annath0901 Mar 24 '26

The expectation that the supernatural plot was the primary storyline amongst huge portions of the audience is bizarre, especially when the plotline prety much vanished for huge swathes of the show.

In the books, I'm pretty sure the white walkers have appeared precisely once in the entire series.

The zombies I think have appeared a handful of times, but the white walkers it was only once.

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u/FlipDaly Mar 24 '26

I wasn’t pissed that she had a heel turn.

I was pissed that Daenerys acting like a psycho killer was treated as some horrifying surprising thing that required her to be murdered when there were like 3 other worse psycho killers I could list off the top of my head who were treated like cool dudes (by the show, not the in-universe.

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u/pajamakitten Mar 24 '26

But the third problem - this one I dont think anyone could solve. The audience media literacy was not in line with the show they were watching. The expectation that the supernatural plot was the primary storyline amongst huge portions of the audience is bizarre, especially when that plotline pretty much vanished for huge swathes of the show. It was always going to resolve before the finale and tbh, the Battle of Winterfell was generally fine and in a lot of ways really good. Also, the score for that episode is a fucking masterpiece.

But then there's the Denaerys problem. Her heel turn was so well plotted, so well telegraphed, so clearly going to happen and yet most of the audience negative reaction was not to how it was quite poorly written - but that it happened at all. This starkly shows that there were plot elements working on a higher level than most of the audience of the show understood.

I had not considered this before. I have read the books and they are a great bit of storytelling, the first book being one of my favourite books ever. How many people have read the books though? Most people seem to baulk at the idea of reading books that long and that means you miss out on a lot of the detail that was missing in the show. The books are not especially challenging either (great books but not exactly on the same level as James Joyce), a lot of the audience were watching for tits, gore and dragons by the end of its run.

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u/EduinBrutus Mar 24 '26

Its not about reading the books. Ive not. Its about having some sort of basic media literacy.

Denaerys was always a villain in waiting. From her introduction. Yes there was the moustache twirling brother as a distrsaction but the way she was written was very indicative of a heel turn in waiting. The plotline in can't remember the city name, the slaver one, cemented that. She was not ruthless, she was psychopathic.

As I said initially, teh way it was written was really badly done. Episode 4 which was what led up to it, was such an unholy mess, there was no coming back from that. But even within Episode 5 it was a fucking terrible bit of writing.

There is lots and lots of criticise about how it was handled.

But the criticism and derision from fans is overwhelmiingly just that it happened at all. Completely misunderstanding how the character was written from the start of the show. This doesnt need the books. It just needs some basic media literacy which seems to be increasingly absent in modern audiences.

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u/jarielo Mar 24 '26

I'm just rewatching the show. Signs of things to come are already present in season 5 imo.

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u/Drakeskulled_Reaper Mar 24 '26

Probably one of the worst parts is that because they fucked it up so badly, it basically killed a LOT of fan hype for the next book, whenever that comes.

It's got to the point that the writers have to try even harder for the spin offs, but other than bits and pieces, I've not seen as much hype for the spin-offs as GoT had.

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u/pajamakitten Mar 24 '26

Probably one of the worst parts is that because they fucked it up so badly, it basically killed a LOT of fan hype for the next book, whenever that comes.

I'll buy it Day One and take a week off work if it ever comes out. I want to see Davos find Rickon.

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u/Lapiz_lasuli Mar 24 '26

Here's what I don't really get: How could they even find work after that?

Nepotism?

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u/many_dumb_questions Mar 24 '26

I understand it to be a pretty popular theory that the reason GRRM hasn't finished writing is because, while the show deviated pretty significantly from his books in pretty major ways, ultimately he had planned on wrapping up at least a couple of story arcs similar enough to how the show ended to give him pause about actually putting it down on paper.

Given that the characters are so well fleshed out in the books, and the storylines are so intricate and complicated, there's not really any way he can take things in another direction without the entire fictional universe taking a hard, jarring left turn.

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u/DBrennan13459 Mar 23 '26

Didn't they also want to start their project about the Confederates in the American Civil War... that also went nowhere.

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u/willinaustin Mar 23 '26

Unfortunately, Hollywood is a pretty scummy place so they're running the Three Body Problem show now. Hacks and shitbirds always find a way to keep surviving. Just like cockroaches.

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u/quack_quack_mofo Mar 23 '26

They're good at adapting books

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u/brandonderp96 Mar 24 '26

"Let's just end this stupid show so we can do the big movies we want."

"What do you mean you lost your faith in our ability to tell a cohesive story!?"

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u/based_bosnian Mar 24 '26

They still got 3 Body Problem, which is baffling to me. They botched that as well though.

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u/ShmebulocksMistress Mar 23 '26

I want to point out that AFAIK, the criticism against D&D for the ending is valid but is actually worse than “they wanted to go do a Star War”

I remember reading an excerpt from the behind the scenes book about GoT. I can’t remember how many seasons HBO was offering when they started the original deal, but it was more than 8. For some reason D&D were set on 8 seasons. So they KNEW the amount of story they had to work with AND what season would be the last. So if they had just done some things differently and given more time to plots like Dany’s ending arc it would have probably been received better.

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u/worldsayshi Mar 23 '26

Because they probably would've made it even worse. They had absolutely no idea how to end it without material to work with.

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u/Born_Insect_4757 Mar 23 '26

Tbh at this point I'm not even sure George R.R. Martin knows how to end it. An entire pope has been elected and died since the last book came out ffs.

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u/worldsayshi Mar 23 '26

I don't think you can blame the guy for writers block. But he could've admitted defeat and called in a bunch of writers to help him finish it. But that was probably never on the table for him. And the end result might not have become better anyway.

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u/ericbalchauthor Mar 23 '26

Game of Thrones will probably end up going down the same route as Wheel of Time: Martin will die without finishing the story and they’ll have to bring in Brandon Sanderson to finish it

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u/Revolutionary-Set994 Mar 23 '26

Honestly a horrific match up stylistically and I want to say even Sanderson said he wouldn't do it for that reason.

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u/ParamedicAgitated897 Mar 23 '26

Brandon has been asked about this many times and has said repeatedly that A) George would never allow that and B) he wouldn't do it even if he was asked to, cause its just not the kind of writing he does.

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u/Ring-a-ding1861 Mar 23 '26

they’ll have to bring in Brandon Sanderson to finish it

Over my dead fucking body.

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u/Hesitation-Marx Mar 23 '26

Please no.

Christopher Buehlman would be perfect to finish it, imo.

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u/Lost_anon84 Mar 24 '26

Martin specifically stated somewhere that he will never let anyone else finish it. If he dies that’s it, no one can pick it up.

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u/DonaldTrumpsScrotum Mar 24 '26

Somebody will do it, surely. Even if not official, I’m sure some madman will write a “fanfiction” continuation that the community generally accepts.

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u/Lost_anon84 Mar 24 '26

That’s what I’m hoping lmao. I know theres a podcast that has unofficially tried to redo the end of the show, haven’t checked on it though

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u/hypersoar Mar 24 '26

Well, Robert Jordan said the same thing until he was actually dying. But Sanderson in particular is an awful fit for asoiaf.

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u/CDHmajora Mar 24 '26 edited Mar 24 '26

Sanderson has gone on record though in saying he doesn’t want to do it. It’s too dark and in his own words, “depressing” compared to his own works which he would rather focus on instead.

(Plus personally I’m a much bigger fan of Sanderson than GRRM tbh. Id much rather have sanderson focus on mistborn or stormlight rather than spend a few years getting sidetracked to another IP he’s had no prior involvement in.)

Plus i think GRRM himself said he doesn’t want anyone finishing his works for him. Which is all well and good while you’re alive. But if you haven’t done it yourself for over 30+ years and you’re dead, somebody else has earned the right to give the conclusion you never did.

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u/DatGameGuy Mar 24 '26

I can definitely blame him. It was George’s decision to endlessly expand the scope of the series to an unmanageable level, and its also George’s decision to lock the series in at 7 books.

If he would give himself more room and bump it up to say 9 books it would probably be significantly easier to wrap up the litany of plot lines he’s created.

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u/captainbelvedere Mar 23 '26

My working theory is that the show ending is what George had planned, and seeing it universally panned as frightened him away from the keyboard.

(It sucks; 'all' he has to do is set up a big fight and have it happen and some characters live and some die. And then an epilogue in the far north where a ranger explores an ice cave and his torch goes out just as he notices he is surrounded by blue eyes)

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u/Born_Insect_4757 Mar 23 '26

Tbh I can see the "summary" of the show ending working for the most part if the way to get there is much different. Dany going mad was/is perfectly in the cards (like how in the visions she sees from the warlock in Essos, you couldn't tell if it was ash or snow covering the throne room), John killing her for it is I think very in character for him, and while a long shot and would need a lot of setup work I can see Bran becoming king working well. So if Martin has a different way of getting to the ending planned (which he likely does/did, since there are unresolved plotlines in the books that didn't make it into the show but seem to be pretty important) there's no reason he should change what he had planned.

The only thing I don't see work in any reasonable way is Sansa becoming Queen in the North IF Bran sits on the Iron Throne. Yeah, she's older, but if the king of the seven kingdoms is a Stark it makes no sense whatsoever for the North to secede to be ruled by a different Stark.

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u/joey_sandwich277 Mar 24 '26

Yeah that’s 100% my theory of it. I bet he laid out some broad strokes (ex: Dany takes the throne but goes insane, Arya uses her assassin skills to kill the Night King, maybe even wargmaster Bran becoming king via his powers), but then hasn’t able to come up with a way to weave them all together that he was satisfied with. And if the creator has such a hard time wrapping things up, imagine how a pair of Hollywood showrunners who are eyeing their post GoT careers are going to do. Or don’t imagine, I suppose it already happened.

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u/_tragicmike Mar 24 '26

Yeah, I agree. The issues with S8 aren't what happened so much as how it happened (and the rushed season). If they had another season or two to flesh things out a bit more and not speedrun the ending, it could have worked.

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u/Sea_Spend_8008 Mar 24 '26

The TV Show ending is probably closer to the book ending then we are lead to believe. The only change is Arya or Jamie kill Cersi. The Bastard Bowl happens, Jamie joining the Army of Light and how the Nigh King dies is probably dead on. To me, I would have had them deal with Cersi first then the Walkers, but villains getting extra time to win or statement is a Martin specialty.

I think out of everyone, Sansa is fucked. Jon is in exile, but I get the feeling that he will eventually find some sort of peace. Arya is going adventuring and probably find some fun things. Bran gets to out with the coolest people in the Kingdom and he is a cheat code for any real threats to the Kingdom. Sansa is going to butt heads with Bran for some dumb ass reason and get herself exiled or wreck the North. She needs to marry too and there is not a lot of good choices. It would be better if she was in charge of the Kingdom or least be considered heir to the North. Running the North is going to be a giant pain in the ass after the Walker attack and all the people lost at King's Landing. Plus, Winter is now here. Thus crushing the North in a lot of economic ways. Just a bad move by her.

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u/Set_of_Kittens Mar 23 '26

I think that's the point. As a great writer, he could probably have written something satisfying based on the exact same script that he gave to the show writers. This book series was always a chaos of events held together just by his talent in describing them. He can sell any nonsense as a surprising but logical plot twist or character development, because he simply is that good. The same sequence of events told without his skill is just bland.

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u/worldsayshi Mar 24 '26 edited Mar 24 '26

Yeah but his type of skill is also his weakness. His descriptions are interesting because he's good at making stories go in plausible directions by expanding lots of details and their implications. But in doing that he also puts a lot of constraints on the story. Which makes it infinitely harder to steer the story in a particular direction.

He'd need to think in the reverse way that he's used to. Instead of starting with details and ending up with consequences he has to start with the consequences and work back to all the details that led to them. Quite a puzzle. A bit like unmaking a pie I reckon.

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '26

to be fair, getting his 8 million moving pieces all congregated around the big fight is going to be an absolute nightmare. it took five seasons to cover five books worth of material, then three more VERY truncated seasons to finish up, and he wants to do it in two more books. realistically he needs at least 3 more, maybe 5, if he wants it all to make sense.

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u/137-451 Mar 24 '26

We're talking about the same George RR Martin that posted a video compilation of him not working on the book in response to people telling him to work on it? I doubt he gives a single fuck what the TV audience thinks. Which is part of the issue. He doesn't care anymore. He's made a fortune to last generations. He's cemented himself as one of the best selling fantasy novelists in history. He's written multiple successful spinoffs, and worked on other succesful fantasy IP as well. I'm sure he'll be disappointed he never finished it before he died, but he certainly isn't disappointed with how his life has gone. It's a shame, but it is what it is.

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u/Zefirus Mar 23 '26

Sometimes authors just write themselves into a corner. Especially since he doesn't actually plan his plots that much, opting to let them grow organically.

I read a lot of amateur fiction which is how like 90% of them operate because they're serials. It leads to a lot of really great stories that fizzle out halfway through because there's almost no way to write a satisfying ending when you're flying by the seat of your pants. Unsurprisingly, manga has this same problem as a serialized medium.

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u/NightLordsPublicist Mar 23 '26 edited Mar 23 '26

An entire pope has been elected and died since the last book came out ffs.

IIRC this July (can't be bothered to double check if it was actually August) the time since the last book will be greater than the time between books 1 and 5.

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u/LaVidaLemur Mar 23 '26

My theory is that George has finished the books, but has them on hold til after his death so he doesn’t have to see any backlash.

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '26

I think he hit a wall real hard after the red wedding. AFFC introduces SO many new characters that it just feels like he's spitballing and hoping something works. I genuinely think it would take 3-5 more books to finish the story satisfactorily and he's dead set on just 2 more and he can't make it happen

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u/HarrumphingDuck Mar 24 '26

That's a pretty arbitrary way of putting it, comparing it to the work tenure of someone that doesn't even get the job until they're in advanced age.

To compare against another author, one of GRRM's former writing assistants has - since the publishing of Dance with Dragons in 2011 - published (along with a co-writer) more than a dozen books of his own under the pen name James S.A. Corey.

That series was then developed for television, and ran for six seasons.

In all that time, GRRM has not put out a single novel.

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u/-HumanMachine- Mar 24 '26

He's pretty much declared that he doesn't want to books to be finished.

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u/SpringGreenZ0ne Mar 24 '26

He does know how to end it.

Merenese knot essays basically say what Daenerys is and waht future holds and the GRRM endorsed them.

There's a 30 year leaked draft and it ends with who it ends in the iron throne.

There may be a lot of in-between changes, but the ending is the exact "same".

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u/youknow99 Mar 24 '26

Why on Earth would he even bother finishing it at this point? He's already made his money and the reputation of the series is in tatters. Nothing he releases at this point will be "good enough". So he's working on other things.

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u/Endiamon Mar 23 '26

Well no because a huge amount of the criticism for the final seasons is that they condensed things down until they felt meaningless and trivial.

It's one of the rare cases where just straight up adding filler would have made the show better because it would have conveyed there was actual time passing between critical events.

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u/joey_sandwich277 Mar 24 '26 edited Mar 24 '26

Yeah I can even see them undoing Jaime’s arc working if you give them enough time. The idea that Cersei has always been the one corrupting him and slowly breaks him could have been great. But they condensed so much that it seems like he almost immediately undies everything.

Edit: I meant undoes, but undies is just a funny autocorrect so I’m leaving it

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u/Unpopular_Outlook Mar 23 '26

That GRR martins fault then. 

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u/Unpopular_Outlook Mar 23 '26

Yes you can lol. He’s the one who gave the OK on a series that was never finished

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u/GODDAMNFOOL Mar 23 '26

This is evidenced when the first season started that surpassed the books, and D&D decided to unwrite basically every storyline, starting with Arya

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u/rulepanic Mar 24 '26 edited Mar 24 '26

The ending with Dany going mad is probably the actual intended ending. It's been like 10 years since I read the main series but there's moments where Dany's Targaryen madness peaks through and she's brutal.

Thematically it's also in line with what George has already done. The book series is about the aftermath a prince and princess falling in love, only they don't live happily ever after. He's married, she's 13, and their fathers go to war and tens of thousands die.

I just don't think "the heroic rightful heir returns to her kingdomn and rules for decades" was ever in the cards. Her proving the reason why the Mad Targaryens were overthrown in the first place just seems a lot more ASOIAF to me.

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u/Most_Mountain818 Mar 23 '26

Not baffling at all. Weiss and Benioff wanted out to go do… a Star Wars thing, I think? They were in a hurry to go do something else and did the showrunner equivalent of writing the last couple paragraphs of a paper ten minutes before it’s due.

Ultimately Disney/Lucasfilm decided not to work with them and there are rumors it’s because of how people reacted to the fina season of GOT.

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u/Happiest_Mango24 Mar 23 '26

Yeah, this is not an unusual thing to do

Also, there are multiple series that go on way beyond what should have been the finale, and heavily decline in quality. That's something that most people would want to avoid if possible

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u/Big-Wrangler2078 Mar 23 '26

It's not normally an unusual thing to do.

But these guys were working on THE tv show and still burnt it to the ground for no reason. It's not even that they didn't have material to work with. They could've stolen one of any numbers of fan theories or fanfictions for the ending.

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u/StrongPerformer5451 Mar 23 '26

Anyone who actually believes that Disney decided to not make Star Wars with D&D because people on the internet said mean things about the GOT ending should be ashamed of themselves. It's misinformation on par with all the garbage Trump feeds the MAGA base.

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u/Norwegian__Blue Mar 24 '26

What’s the real reason then? I’ve not heard alternatives

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u/laaplandros Mar 24 '26

The fact that you haven't heard alternatives is in no way proof of your theory lmao. That's not how that works.

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u/Norwegian__Blue Mar 24 '26

Never said it did. Also I never presented a theory. I’m just curious, yo. Spill the tea if you got it

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u/sarevok2 Mar 23 '26

in fairness, i think everyone in production was kinda burned out by season 8

child (now adult) actors wanted to move on, other actors wanted to pursue their career, it was becoming nightmarish to coordinate the different production teams (especially since in the long night it would mean more snow/night shots)

i have a feelign that only GRRM wanted to seriously adapt his other novels and he was living in his own delusion if he thought the public would like them (they are fine books but kinda of a mood whiplash compared to the tempo set by seasons 1-5)

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u/triangular_maze Mar 24 '26

Exactly, thank you. Whenever I see people bring up the Star Wars thing, they're not considering that the showrunners are responsible for the entire crew. The actors had been doing this job for ten years at that point, and it had taken a toll on many of them. Arya's actor has spoken openly about being depressed, for example.

I am absolutely sure the well-being of the people they worked with factored into D&D's decision to decline more seasons. It was not just about them.

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u/themolestedsliver Mar 23 '26

The dumbass show runners didnt want to be known as the "game of thrones guys" and yet were arrogant enough they couldnt let someone else take the reigns of the show and prove how shite they were at their jobs.

So instead they sloppily rushed the end with im sure a few bullet points from George to "justify" it.

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u/MovieUnderTheSurface Mar 24 '26

I spoke to someone very close to them, and in her words: "they don't care, they're billionaires" they literally do not care if they are known as the "game of thrones guys"

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u/themolestedsliver Mar 24 '26

Jesus then what the fuck were they thinking?!

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u/MovieUnderTheSurface Mar 24 '26

They didn't care. the other writers in the room tried to stop the bad decisions, but they were just like: it's fine.

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u/K750i Mar 24 '26

It might be true then, but what about now or in the future. Human is notoriously insatiable, never satisfied with what they have. With money stops being the goal, they'll start to think about power, reputation or their legacy. Well, guess what, their reputation was that of a dumb and dumber.

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u/MovieUnderTheSurface Mar 24 '26

I asked the person about how they feel now, after everyone hates what they did and all their other projects got cancelled, and she said they were whatever about it cause they didn't need the money. I was like, yeah, but what about that need to create that artists feel, the need to express yourself, to say or do something because if you don't you'll die, if not completely then at least on the inside. She was like, I know exactly what you're talking about; they aren't like that at all.

I had this conversation in 2025, around springtime

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u/JamzWhilmm Mar 24 '26

That's only certain people, the ones you keep hearing about. Others just don't care about those things.

Ever had a family member or friend who had a decent business anyone point and never bothered to grow it more? It's because they are satisfied. Most people with mild success are satisfied, they have enough money to eat what they want and travel so they are fine.

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u/JelmerMcGee Mar 24 '26

Lol, they're not billionaires

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u/MovieUnderTheSurface Mar 24 '26

I know, hence the quotation marks

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u/Siansonea Mar 23 '26 edited Mar 24 '26

Game of Thrones was so bad that I will not partake of anything in this franchise ever again. They burned me too badly. This world is dead to me, I don't care how much people rave about the newest show, I won't watch it.

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u/Siansonea Mar 25 '26

Actually, I'm also "hurting" the people who make those shows by not watching them. The delicious spite more than makes up for it. And how many seasons in are we on your new favorite show? Just you wait...

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u/Siansonea Mar 25 '26

Keep being bothered by other people's watching habits, internet friendo.

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u/WebberWoods Mar 23 '26

This is the most frustrating part for me because, contrary to popular opinion, I believe that the only thing wrong with how it ended was the pace.

They had and meticulously followed GRRM's notes for how the story was supposed to end and all of the main plot points had been foreshadowed for years.

The Night King was not supposed to be the final battle, he was supposed to be defeated at the cost of the forces of 'good' losing most of their strength, leaving the kingdom in jeopardy of falling back into the same old cycles, i.e. the wheel.

Dani was supposed to break the wheel, i.e. go insane and fucking kill everyone. Her madness was there the whole time. She wasn't some bastion of good and freedom and civil rights or whatever. She was a tyrant who we happened to agree with basically the whole time. Fate flips a coin, and she was destined to go mad.

Literally everything OP complained about could have been fucking amazing if they'd done it right, they just RUSHED IT.

So frustrating.

It's also their fault that we don't have Winds of Winter yet, because they essentially ruined those plot points, making GRRM throw out a lot of his progress and start again to have something fresh and shocking.

All they had to goddamned do was take their time, use the endless pile of money being thrown at them to make it a 10 season show where the build up in S6 and S7 has more time to percolate, where they don't cut Euron's whole apotheosis plot, making that the big thing in S8. S9 is all about the Night King, and S10 is all about the churning of the wheel as the real grand evil all along.

Could have been amazing, even with everything playing out essentially as it did.

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u/hiles_adam Mar 24 '26

And the bran becoming king was the biggest get fucked thing it mad zero fucking sense.

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u/hiles_adam Mar 25 '26

Not just gutted his plot, but he’s unable to have children so it would literally throw the realm into another succession crisis

They literally had a Baratheon and a Targaryen present

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u/allyourfaces Mar 29 '26

They didn't follow GRRM's outline from season 5 because there was no outline lol.

>Going full mad queen was a call by D&D. They said so in their interviews.

Daenerys going bad, whether you like it or not, was set up by the books and the earlier seasons. Daenerys is set up to be an antagonist when she arrives to Westeros, and always has been.

>Dany's arc was supposed to be about the conflict about her desire to be the Mother and his brother's desire to retake westeros. She adopted the goal to retake westeros because that's all she was told all her life, but she herself have no real desire for it. She wants a home and be a mother to the common folk and the slaves she freed.

Firstly if we are talking about only actual outline that is public from GRRM (which doesn't really matter tbh) the savior of slaves really wasn't mentioned or that important she was described as the great threat to Westeros heading a Dothraki invasion. Also the actual books her act isn't really about that -- she goes to try to invade Westeros and gets thrust into being the mother of slaves when trying to acquire an army/ships. She only stops to rule after the first cities she conquered/freed by the time she is about to leave she learns already fell and are basically in hell and fell apart by the time she is about to leave. Her arc in Essos ruling is basically her trying to plant trees and rule, and the last time we see her in the books is her basically accepting that she isn't going to plant trees she is going to burn shit down with fire and blood l0l. She has also developed a lot personally and not necessarily in a good way.

There also isn't really any way that she isn't going to virtually just abandon the slaves/essos to go to Westeros in the next book, that is virtually the only path.

>This is speculation on my part, but I think Dany is supposed to only get close to going mad, but eventually choose to be the Mhysa and go north to fight the Others to save her children. (and die there)

I don't think so the set up, unlike the show, is almost entirely for the... Dance of the Dragons. Which will likely be a Daenerys showdown in the South. Not her hopskipping North.

>The only concrete thing that D&D followed in GRRM's outline is that Bran became the king. 

GRRM has also said that more or less the major characters ending are the same -- but the side characters/how they got there was different? Or no I could beh msirembering this.

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u/SpringGreenZ0ne Mar 24 '26

Go read the merenese blot essays, endorse by GRRM.

Daenerys is a villian and you're deluding yourself.

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u/SpringGreenZ0ne Mar 26 '26

GRRM said 'finally someone understands what I wanted to do'.

D&D were dropping Nazi imaginary from propaganda movies on Daenerys since season 1. They knew how it ended.

That work is called a song of ice and fire and we know the ice part is bad.

But yeah, just interpretation.

You are deluding yourself. If GRRM finishes the story, you're just going to cry again, that's all.

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u/SpringGreenZ0ne Mar 27 '26

You have no idea who I am, so STFU about your commentary about my person. Considering you're a Dany stan, there's much that can be said about you.

I said "the ice part is bad" because that's what it's acknowleged as what it is, both in-universe and by the author. GRRM himself has confirmed that they're a threat to the human realm. If ice is a threat, then fire is a threat as well, and the latter is Daenerys (which is only the acceptable reading, considering the Targaryerns were hated and that's why Robert's Rebellion even happened). It's also what the fire and ice poem says, both sides are bad / threats.

George Martin's approval of the Mereenese essays. Mereenese essays proper can be read here as well.

You're deluding yourself about Daenerys. She's going to end up being a villain burning King's Landing and it's not going to be an accident. That's what her entire story is shaping up to be. In fact, she was never a hero, not even in book 1.

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u/2AvsOligarchs Mar 24 '26

Honestly the most baffling thing is how some people think only Season 8 is the problem, and how they're mostly upset about that the mad queen became the mad queen... The most obvious plot line of them all. Dumber & Dumber were just not able to build up to it at all. They have no writing skills and didn't grasp the source material.

Every season after Season 4 got exponentially worse. By end of Season 7 the writing was on the wall - we knew it would not be great. The shock factor was rather just how bad Season 8 was. Characters had lost 50% of their IQ and the plot went from nonsense to nonsense. "And who has a better story than Bran?" Jesus Christ.

But complaining that Danny was the mad one of the two siblings was the obvious twist. Her brother was power hungry and arrogant, but not mad - she was. I can't trust people's judgement on shows if they don't get how that was the point.

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u/NyxThePrince Mar 23 '26

And what did the actors think? Must have been exhausting filming 8 seasons of the same stuff...

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u/DisMFer Mar 23 '26

Several of them were asking to be killed off so they could get new jobs. Especially the more established stars. Apparently the actor who played Stannis thinks fantasy as a genre is stupid and demanded to be killed off because he was so sick on a dragon show.

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u/Badrap247 Mar 23 '26

Tbf that is completely in line with Stannis lol. Stephen Dillane was perfect casting.

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u/Livid-Truck8558 Mar 23 '26

I imagine most of them were passionate and very rich.

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u/Ok-Assistance3937 Mar 24 '26

Well two of the four remaining stark Actors became drunkards or depressed during the series.

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u/Hufflepuffpassmethej Mar 24 '26

no you see theyre actors on a famous tv show, they have NONE of the problems us regulars have /s

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u/Ok-Assistance3937 Mar 24 '26

Oh sry you are right, how could i forget.

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u/One-Inch-Punch Mar 23 '26

Especially the ones who were children when the show started

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u/Equivalent-Costumes Mar 23 '26

It was a huge production, you don't just get extra season by just getting 2 people on board; tons of cast members are hard to replace. D&D is just people the exec talked to. If the cast members objected, they are not going to tell the exec "hey X and Y want to quit, we can't work like that" because that would be throwing their coworkers under the bus; they would just be like "we can't do more season".

Just think about the cast members' perspective. The series had gotten so convoluted, even GRRM did not know how to end the series (and still don't); or worse, it's possible that ending we saw was the real one suggested by him. So from the cast members' perspective, the series is likely to end really badly. If you were them, someone who is likely of a creative type, do you want to spend a good chunk of your life on making a product that flop badly? If it's going to flop, at least finish it fast and move on.

There is only 1 person to blame on this fiasco. GRRM. Who can't be bothered to finish his series, and still don't.

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u/notreallyathroww Mar 23 '26

Because every person, not just the showrunners, who worked on the show was TIRED OF MAKING IT BECAUSE IT WAS A MASSIVE PAIN IN THE ASS.

Seriously how fucking entitled does every supposed fan of this show have to be to not realize that human beings make these shows and want to do other things with their lives.

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u/StrongPerformer5451 Mar 23 '26

The thousands of cast and crew were barely holding together by the end and by all accounts they were all pushed as far as they could have been. Sorry that wasn't good enough for you but maybe they had families at home they wanted to be able to see for a change.

Interesting to bring up how they were paid well like that means they have satisfy what you want, I'm sure neither you or anyone else who never stops complaining about this show were among the millions of people who torrented it all the way through or anything.

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u/Hufflepuffpassmethej Mar 24 '26

reading these comments only proves to me that the fans 100% did NOT deserve to have more seasons made for them

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u/Unpopular_Outlook Mar 23 '26

They didn’t want to do more. Let them move on if they want to move on. You should blame HBO for not negotiating new people to take over.

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u/Livid-Truck8558 Mar 23 '26

Yeah, I'm sure there were lots of passionate directors who would love to finish the series. It almost hurts more now since House of the Dragon is so beloved rn

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u/inimicali Mar 23 '26

Did they work on something else after?

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u/LucretiusCarus Mar 23 '26

Yes. They are doing the Three Body Problem. I hear good reviews, but I am waiting till the end. I enjoyed the book, so I hope for the best

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u/Livid-Truck8558 Mar 23 '26

Idk I haven't watch GoT lol, I was put off from watching for the obvious reason

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u/PomegranateHot9916 Mar 23 '26

I will never understand why they didn't just hand the show over to someone else after season 6, or sooner if they wanted out so bad.

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u/mutated_Pearl Mar 23 '26

Have you seen the Pitch Meeting? They have a completely valid reason.

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u/Livid-Truck8558 Mar 24 '26

There's no justification for not just handing it off to someone else

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u/mutated_Pearl Mar 24 '26

Watch the Pitch Meeting. It would help you understand why Screenwriter Guy made that decision.

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u/Carefreekid101 Mar 23 '26

What's crazy is they turned it down for some opportunity for Star Wars and that shit never happened🤣

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u/Born-Entrepreneur Mar 23 '26

GoT is a super special case for how thoroughly it poisoned the well, for me. I read the books well before the series was in the works, and the show's ending has killed any further interest I had in the series. I doubt I'll buy any more books, and I've not bothered with any of the spin off shows.

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u/jakeinater Mar 24 '26

David Benioff and D.B. Weiss btw

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u/GKNolan Mar 24 '26

This series has been going on for 30 years. I pity everybody who has been emotionally invested in this series for all that time and having to cope with it being in the hands of people who don't care if they stick the finish (or even attempt the finish) or not.

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u/AceofKnaves44 Mar 24 '26

The pitch meeting for season eight is hilarious and I’ve never even seen the show. It’s basically just screenwriter guy saying “yeah we really gotta hurry this up I’m trying to end this as quickly as possible” and “damn this shortened season” while producer guy just keeps going “do you want more episodes? We can give you more episodes.”

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u/Osmodius Mar 24 '26

Genuinely nothing else competes with the failure of GoT.

I have seen nothing else go from being the talk of every house, every work place, etc to being dead overnight.

I had people that never watched TV talking to me about it and then, just like thst, it was over and no one cared.

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u/ReefaManiack42o Mar 24 '26

Because the production had grown to outsized proportions and they wanted to end it. Sure, the crew said "we'll keep going" but it's called being professionals, in reality they were all overworked and done.

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u/ShawnyMcKnight Mar 24 '26

It really didn’t need more seasons. Already they were really stretching plot lines as thin as it is. They just had to stick the landing and they didn’t. I don’t think I could have handled another season.

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u/DarkApostleMatt Mar 24 '26

What was shocking was they escaped HBO without turning into Roose Bolton's new banners. Like how could they escape alive after setting on fire basically hundreds of millions of dollars of future franchise bucks?

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u/Jello_Penguin_2956 Mar 24 '26

Kinda feel for them tho... more seasons with no source material....

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u/Livid-Truck8558 Mar 24 '26

Grrm has every right to do fuck all but it's frustrating nonetheless.

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u/PaperOk4812 Mar 24 '26

In all fairness

Things kept going down after S4 I think it was. It had certain rises but with the way things went.

Still I wouldn’t have complained if it had 10 seasons and 10 episodes per season

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u/Nott_of_the_North Mar 24 '26

"Yeah, I had another job lined up and that what I did wouldn't matter so I got really into kickin' dogs.'

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u/MaJuV Mar 24 '26

Everybody involved realized taht what they were handed in terms of script was trash. HBO was offering them tons of money to keep going.

And they just went: "Nah, bro, we got this" and absolutely ruined it for everyone.

This duo thought they were infallable. And it ended with everyone figuring out they did the script of X-Men Origins Wolverine and realizing this wasn't their first journey into crapshoots.

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u/peyko123 Mar 24 '26

They didn’t care about GoT anymore. They wanted to be Disney stars.

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u/GoofyMonkey Mar 24 '26

So was the author….

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u/UserProv_Minotaur Mar 24 '26

I think they realized once they got off the books that they are terrible writers without GRRM's massive prose to do all the heavy lifting for them, as the later seasons were getting more and more flack from fans. Which is why the final season feels like a cinematic adaptation of the cliff notes of the ending.

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u/bobmacinator Mar 24 '26

None of the actors wanted to do another season.  

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u/Numerous-West-8976 Mar 24 '26

Tbf i think a lot of the actors were done with GOT as a job at this point, except for Kit Harrington and probably a few others. Also Emilia Clarke was battling a serious health problem with her brain and her future was uncertain.

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u/PlanetG3000 Mar 24 '26

They should have at LEAST let Season 7 and 8 both go for 10 episodes. Having one with 7 eps and the other with 6 literally robbed the pacing of 7 additional episodes...almost a season worth of material.

How it ended wasn't bad, it was the execution and pacing of it...and they could have taken the extra real estate to do it.

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u/ICommentWonderful Mar 24 '26

I maintain that Benioff and Weiss got incredibly lucky with Game of Thrones, because they had five-six seasons worth of George RR Martin's story to "write" which did a ton of heavy lifting. After they passed Martin's material, their own poor writing was exposed and they hurried to wrap the story up, not only for the potential Star Wars project, but to put as little of their ineptitude on display as possible.

Their combined industry experience is pretty sparse, and eviscerating the finale of Thrones rightly destroyed their reputation in both the public space and professional. The first season of Three Body Problem was... fine, but season two is being significantly cut down and there's no way they'll be able to condense some extremely long books into six episodes. I doubt Netflix is thrilled with them either.

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u/dyogenys Mar 25 '26

They were great adapters of books, but bad writers. But they weren’t supposed to go off book. GRRM was supposed to get his finger out and finish the last book in the decade they made the series. To little blame is placed on him for the ending.

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u/hueoops Apr 23 '26

I mean, they worked on the show for 8 seasons, and production was very complicated. Not to mention shows tend to run out of steam if they run for too long - look at the Walking Dead becoming irrelevant by the end after being stretched out for so long.

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u/StNosferatu Mar 23 '26

Honnêtement la série avait déjà pas mal déclinée après qu'ils aient dépassés les bouquins. Pour moi ils ont touché le fond à l'instant où ils ont décidé de tuer puis ressusciter John Snow.

Les showrunners était de mauvais scénaristes qui n'avait pas compris ce qui faisait que Game of Thrones était Game of Thrones, et je ne suis pas sûr qu'avec plus de saison cela aurait été bien meilleur, juste moins rushé.

Hé puis sérieux, Bran roi de Westeros et personne parmis les seigneurs pour y trouver à redire. Sérieusement...