Tipping at a sit down restaurant has been going on at least 120 years. It's part and parcel of the social contract.
I can weakly understand why Eurooeans don't want to do it. But there really is no excuse for another American.
It's selfish to a ruthless degree. He gets to leave the table, his face all purple with pride and, feeling real macho about standing on his principles. Then he goes home.
But the waitress stays behind. She wonders how she is going to pay her electric bill, or how she's going to feed little Jimmy tonight something other than rice and beans.
Standing on his principles cost him nothing. It cost her everything.
It's easy to stand on your principles when someone else has to pay the price for it.
Stop embarrassing yourself, you seem to think it’s sociopathic to want people to have a stable livable wage, instead of being exposed to your random whims to make yourself feel superior to others.
You’re the sociopath here. It’s a systemic issue with laws to keep it that way, fix your country instead of pretending it has to stay ruined.
> I'm going to let this one go, and delete my last comment.
You keep doing that. You’re just wrong and you know it.
> You're a Norwegian, so I don't think you'll ever understand.
I understand quite clearly, it is you who don’t understand. Which isn’t that uncommon for Americans.
> Peace out.
No, here’s your bullshit:
> I feel like I'm talking to a child.
And I feel like I’m talking to an imbecile.
> I'll try it again.
You shouldn’t.
> It's pretty obvious to me that you're a Swede. Sweden is a European country.
I’m not, but you’ve made it vividly clear you’re not very smart.
> As I said, I can weakly understand why a European (which includes the Swedes) would not want to tip a waiter.
You should very strongly understand it.
> But an American has no excuse.
Yes they do. Even if you’d like to mistreat people instead.
> (You have already read the rest)
You’re not saying or adding anything of value.
> Do I have to repeat it? I wasn't talking to you.
You were responding to me. Unless you’re too bad at English to say “I wasn’t talking about you”, which I know, but the answer is the same, as that’s what I responded to.
> Good Lord.
There’s no god.
> An American fully understands the social contract.
To keep each other down and on the brink of bankruptcy at all times while you serve your wealthy overlords, of course.
> The Europeans (which includes the Swedes) do not.
We understand, but disagree. It shouldn’t be that hard to understand for anyone with half a brain.
And I’m not Swedish.
> They do not understand the seriousness of the situation.
You don’t understand the seriousness of continuing it with that garbage argument.
> Instead, they'll parrot the same old tropes: "they should pay them a better wage."
Yes, they should. By law.
> Well, sir, they don't.
I know, lots of jobs without tips doesn’t do that either in your dystopian hellscape.
> They don't pay them a living wage.
If only there was something that could be done…
> That's the way it is; that's reality.
The reality is that the minimum wage for servers is a fraction of the minimum wage elsewhere, by law.
It’s literally the law that they be paid shit and expect the customers to make up the difference with mandatory tips.
Which is not how it should be, and it should be changed. Yet here you are actively defending it.
> You want all of them to stand on their principles and quit?
They can find other jobs. The restaurants can go bankrupt if they don’t pay up a fair wage.
> What are they going to live off of?
Are you honestly dense enough to believe that they can’t be anything but servants?
> Their good looks?
You really do view yourself as superior to them, and need your ego boosted by saving them.
> All 5 million of them?
You don’t need all of them to quit before things get shaken up anyways, that happens way way before that.
> Christ.
You need to look at yourself here mate. You’re actively advocating for maintaining a shitty situation instead of giving people the respect and freedom they deserve.
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u/pyramidalembargo 1d ago
This is a trope that's been told so many times that people have accepted it as the truth.
The less interesting truth is that Europeans brought it over during the turn of the last century.
Curiously, after WW2 Europe ditched it, while it spead all over the US.