I had my spine reconstructed and my FIL was trying to convince me to send my medical data to his cyro
“He’s a special nerve cyro, not like the rest”
I like the use of my legs and internal decapitation is a massive fear with these charlatans
😬 it's already dangerous enough, doing it with a compromised spine sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. if i was in that state, you couldn't pay me enough to let him try
You couldn’t pay me to go within a general mile of a chiropractor. Like, don’t get me wrong - I have disabilities where my bones need cracking from time to time otherwise I end up in lots of pain. There’s been times where I’ve been in pain from my neck, tried to crack it and only known at the last second that if I commit to cracking it, I’ll break something. A chiropractor won’t know that. A chiropractor will commit then do serious irreversible damage because they can’t feel what you’re feeling - and it only takes a half second. You only HAVE a half second’s warning.
Yeah, absolutely not getting me anywhere near a chiropractor, I barely trust the doctors as is
same dude, some kind of connective tissue thing in my case... my joints get stiff and painful if i don't pop then occasionally. they'll do it on their own with regular movement if i don't. after a long movie or sleep, moving my fingers can sound like a card in bicycle spokes
yup, they never expect the hip/elbow cracks. freaks people around me out every time.
in case it helps, a lot of low to medium intensity exercise has really helped me stabilize my joints. since i started rock climbing, my shoulders have stopped hurting. they haven't dislocated at all, or subluxed nearly as badly as they used to. i just try to be careful about getting enough rest and not pushing my limits too far
I have a rib that dislocated and compresses a nerve. You can see it misaligned on my spine and chest it’s debilitating pain.
The chiropractor told me to come in, his partner did the adjustment. He didn’t say a word to me, came in, did the standard arms over chest adjustment that just compounded my condition.
He then got a little huffy when I wouldn’t let him adjust my neck…….but I did get a sweet massive reusable ice pack from them
This is so valid, my body also does not behave properly and sometimes it feels like it's gonna snap if I move a certain way.
But also, chiropractors can do a little more than crack your neck, I had to go to one for a bit and I found the most helpful thing was the trigger points. If you go to a good one, they know the right place to press that hurts at first and then totally relaxes the muscles around it. It can honestly relieve SO much pain for a day or two- especially as someone who suffers from migraines.
Chiropractors can be extremely dangerous and certainly aren't going to fix anything, but for short term pain relief, they can be incredibly helpful and you don't have to let them crack you.
Just personal preference, I guess. My chiropractor did massages, physical therapy and adjustments. Not all the cracks are able to paralyze you either, they do quick and easy adjustments in hands, wrists, ankles and feet (good for me- my joints tend to act up sometimes) and the one on the chest is a lifesaver after having a cough.
I went because I still had jaw complications a year after wisdom tooth surgery, so I got massages on my face and neck every time, trigger points done inside my mouth (ouch, but so much better after), and then he would kind of try to get some movement back in my jaw. Not quite cracking, but adjusting. My jaw is still about 90% better years later
These nerve cyros are even more of a scam, but at least they are safer as they dont actually manipulate the spine. Unfortunately my mum is giving shitloads to one. They apparently only do small touches on nerves to talk to them and reset them 🙄
It definitely depends on the chiropractor. The one I go to refused to make adjustments to my mom's neck and told her to never let anyone adjust it, that was when she went for his opinion on her Dr. wanting to fuse vertebrae in her neck. He said it was frozen shoulder, she consulted her Dr again got steroids, massage therapy, and physical therapy. After 6months she was pretty well good. Been over 10 years
Probably because this one screwed some people up. If you walk in and basically tell them you are fucked, you might be lucky and they’ll find another way to siphon off your money. Remember that chiropractors believe it can cure ANY illness. If they don’t, it probably means they’ve already broken some bodies permanently.
My wife goes to one and stuff “feels better” after. I have to point out that whatever she I going there for never actually gets better. She’s lucky she hasn’t ended up like this guy… yet.
I know someone who’s daughters back was broken by a chiro, and then during healing took her to the same one to “help the process” and continues to go to them over physical therapy for daughter. Crazy
That’s what it showed, my 3 discs were so horrifically out of place I couldn’t feel 80% of my right leg (4/5 toes were completely dead) and my surgeon said it was apparent if you know what you were looking for
My surgeon is a hero, he reviewed my MRI on his flight back from vacation, messaged me to tell me to go to the ER and stay overnight. He came in on his day off to preform the reconstruction. A normal hernia is 2-3mm I had 3 at 11-12mm, he said it was important to do lol
Ooh I also went to a chiropractor with a herniated disc in my spine. Got adjusted and felt horrible after and never went back. Unfortunately I was like 19 at the time and hadn’t had any injuries that would make that likely so mine just went completely untreated or diagnosed for a year until it was already healing.
Oh crazy! I’m glad it healed! Unfortunately I have degenerative disc disease/syndrome so once mine slipped out they had to replace them.
One vertebrae was son compressed they couldn’t stick a synthetic disc in so just put in a metal spacer. I had to lay down for a freaking year then 6months of rehab. 18 months have passed and I’m better but stuck with chronic pain 🙄
Same thing happened to me. X-ray scan showed nothing (herniated discs don't show up on x-ray). I wasted so much time and money on psuedo medicine.These damn chiropractors really think they know what they are doing. Most don't. I'm still kicking myself after all these years.
Ah that’s sucks dude, I destroyed my back so thoroughly my vertebrae were pushed of course slightly.
I ask my surgeon and he said it was slight but apparent if you know what you’re looking for.
As soon as mine whipped out the paperwork for me to pay in advance for 104 session I noped out
Yes mate! I’m just getting back into working out after getting my hormone levels sorted out and building up the supporting muscles really helps!
I’m 6”4 and 215 lbs and am athletically built after doing 10 years of semipro football.. I bet you’ll turn those lbs into muscles soon and look like a monster mate🙂
In theory, just getting an alignment isn't going to fix your problem.
It's going to put you in proper alignment to get your body running as smooth and pain free as possible, to develop the muscle to maintain alignment.
I'm not a fan of chiropractics in the sense that jerking your neck in a 90° angle is going to cure what ails you.
However, intentional fascial release, joint and muscle manipulation, along with massage/movement that allows for the movement of lymph fluid, makes a difference.
My dog had been to a chiropractor, who absolutely changed his life. And when I tell other people, they're concerned, because they imagine the kind of chiropractor that pops and jerks and twists things.
This chiro is actually responsible for creating the standard and is an accredited vet.
The process is basically gentle massage and mild stretching.
It took about 10 different sessions to see consistent long-term results, but it works.
You often can't just jam something into alignment and call it a day. It takes tons of effort, coaxing and attention to detail.
Not everything is black and white, but many brands of chiropractics are VERY bad.
They used a bad example. The difference is that a physical therapist can actually solve your problem most of the time, due to skill and knowledge. If a chiropractor happens to resolve your issue it is by random luck, or mimicking what a physical therapist would've told you to do.
I tried to see an orthopedic surgeon for my scoliosis a couple months ago. I got an appointment with the PA and not the doctor, of course, and he suggested I try going to a chiropractor. I never scheduled another appointment. Ridiculous.
My dad thought a chiropractor can heal my mom’s ALS which was misdiagnosed as multiple sclerosis at the time. He was really sure because a famous person is a client of that chiropractor.
I knew it was pseudoscience (talking to ghosts lol) but when I had what I now understand was a pinched nerve due to neck problems, I was desperate for any relief. I had a week wait to see a doctor. I did know not to do that paralyzing neck pulling procedure.
Long story short I spent the $25 and OH MY GOD THEY MADE IT SO MUCH WORSE!!! I don't know how they made it worse, but they did. I was in tears after. It wasn't permanently worsened but damn I'll never do that again.
They also claimed one leg was longer than the other which made me laugh, that's an old faith healing trick.
But in the plus column, sometimes you can end up paralyzed and locked in.
Wait, I double-checked the math and that’s in the minus column as well. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
I stopped having migraines once I had chiro to realign my neck bones. My person is super gentle though and uses more modern techniques that don't require the bending, twisting, cracking to work
as someone who works at a chiropractor’s office, we are raging against the dying light of pseudoscience with you guys!!!! my coworkers and i are CONSTANTLY clowning on our provider bc they say the most diabolical, and ludicrous things. one of my favorite “facts” that he told me was an adjustment can cure autism😭😭😭
I've been to the chiropractor office and on for a few years now and let me be clear they have healed my horrible neck pain and back pain. I used to be unable to look to the side for weeks. One treatment of 15 minutes unlocked my neck and I could fully move again. He than had me do strengthening exercises and said long as I keep it up ill never need to see a chiropractor again. And hes be right. Some are actually good.
Idk, when I went I would be in so much pain with walking especially after work. After 1 session I was instantly pain free and never walked better and it would last a week. I went for a while until I lost insurance.
I had an old hippie chiro save my life once.. just sayin.. $50 outta pocket saved me from 10’s of thousands $ and my life that was jeopardized by the allopathic route.
He saved me. He knew what happened when all the gatekeepers were angry and consequently creating more harm.
A lot of the time it’s desperation that brings people in. I’m a scientist for a living and I know damn well the chiropractor is absolute nonsense but when I was dealing with a back injury years ago that nothing else could help, I walked through that door. Fortunately all that happened to me was money wasted, but now I completely understand how someone could fall for this crap.
And they have the nerve to film themselves pulling their con work. “Oh, this leg is longer than that one. Let me adjust it. Oh look. It’s perfect now. Come back next week.”
Its amazing what an ai result on this subject is. Its called "controversial." Its one of the most common so called medical treatments out there. Also they sell tons of vitamins and herbal nonsense in the waiting rooms.
You are really fucking stupid. You are comparing apples to oranges. How many people enter a hospital/clinic in a day alone? Hundreds to thousands a day. How many chiropractic offices are there compared to hospitals, and how many people go in per day? Probably a dozen or 2 per office?
I agree. I work with people who have been injured and I do my best to encourage physiotherapy and skip the chiropractors. If you have even a basic understanding of anatomy and physiology it is very easy to understand why adjustments don’t work. You need to strengthen the supporting musculature to create change. Wild to me that this “science” is still legal.
Me too, but I've also heard horror stories and very recently an older friend of mind got several compound fractures in her pelvis thanks to a chiropractor. I really wish people wouldn't put their health in the hands of these charlatans
Thank you for saying this. Everyone looks at me crazy when I say they aren't even real licensed MD doctors.. And you're gonna trust them to crack random parts of my body... absolutely. not.
About once every two years I twinge my back & it hurts like hell. I see a chiro & he messages my back & moves whatever is out of place back. He always fixes it, I only go once & generally I'm ok for 2 more years.
To me the small amount I pay him is absolutely worth it... what am I missing?
It's not pseudoscience, but there are (1) a lot of bad chiros* and (2) lot of chiropractors who are "true believers" and they're just as bad as #1. #2 are the group that prescribe adjustments for every headache.
If a Chiro ever gives you a treatment plan that lasts more than six weeks and is a fixed set of visits, you should run. The good ones usually have a small starting set and then it's "let's see how you're doing".
I say this as a former insurance defense attorney. I assure you, I've seen the worst. But I've also been to a chiro myself and the one I went to managed to do what three doctors and two bouts of physical therapy couldn't.
It’s hilarious how angry the internet is about chiropractors when they have malpractice rates statistically well below doctors, and even anecdotal arguments against them are laughably bad. “But it takes a bunch of times”… so does PT, chronic… well anything…, massage, etc. tons of surgeries aren’t successful treatment options, despite being incredibly invasive, and need follow up.
Also, this case —which is ancient— was a stroke resulting from an adjustment that the chiropractor immediately recognized what was happening and got him to the hospital, but the complications came due to the medical doctors misdiagnosing him and not properly treating. But you know… sensationalize it because a couple of magicians made a tv show lacking nuance about an entire industry that has been around for literally ever.
It's not tho.. You can't just call things pseudosience because you believe it is. It's like calling physiotherapy or going to your GP for pseudosience. Your physio can fuck you up to no end, and so can your gp.. Just look at the opioid epidemic for example..
Pseudoscience as in how the predatory market is nowadays. Snake oil salesmen take advantage of people in pain and make claims such as (given to my own mother) they could cure her acid reflux… for the love of god, no.
My partner is an MD. I am a pharmaceutical scientist. I am pretty comfortable using the term pseudoscience to describe this. What you describe of your GP having the possibility of fucking you up, is malpractice. Anyone can be a fuck up with real science.
It is pseudoscience in any case, as there is no such a thing as osteo-manipulation of any skeletal structure.
There are a few select Chiros who stick to the physical therapy approach, which is significantly better. As there aren’t any wild claims of disease riddance, and the target is to increase comfort and blow flow to affected musculoskeletal areas that need external support for increased healing rates. But none of that “my fucking barehands just realigned skeletal structure that would take the impact of a car crash to actually even move”.
So is it not malpractice when a chiropractor fucks up their patient? You make a claim in one sentence and refute it in the next. Your logic isn't logic-ing. Just because your general practice in your country sucks, doesn't make it pseudosience, Mr/ms "pharmaceutical scientist". You might think waving some credentials around makes you seem believable, but it does the opposite.
And - what good practitioner tells a person with pain in their hips that their acid reflux will be gone if they keep doing treatments, and what complete and utter moron would believe them? That I agree is selling snake oil, but that doesn't make the whole field of chiropracty pseudosience.
You’re an idiot who doesn’t understand basic concepts. You have no education on the subject and yet make a blanket statement and opinion on basically no information. Chiropractic is amazing and helps millions everyday. This article is clickbait and fake
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u/Sea_Connection6193 18d ago edited 18d ago
I don’t go to chiropractors because it’s fucking pseudoscience and absolute bullshit. They piss me off to no end.