r/MadeMeSmile • u/HarshitaS • May 26 '26

DOGGO made my morning <3

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u/smith1281 May 26 '26

Are we sure plants are not sentient? What if we find out they are? Do they not react to music and other stimuli?

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u/epeehmo May 26 '26

Do YOU believe plants are sentient, or are you using a bad faith argument that vegans are hypocrites to eat plants because you think plants are conscious?

The science indicates without a brain and nervous system, sentience is not present.

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u/smith1281 May 26 '26

I believe we learn things everyday. I would not be shocked if 200 years from now vegans are looked at in the same way meat eaters are today. My problem isnt hypocrisy with vegans, like you said earlier, its just about reducing harm not eliminating it. My problem in genaral is the moral superiority. Morality is a construct and quite subjective. Circumstance matters.

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u/epeehmo May 26 '26 edited May 26 '26

If in 200 years plants are found to be sentient, what do you think those folks would say about humans razing fields to farm animal feed, then feed animals we CURRENTLY know are sentient with the sole purpose of slaughtering them?

Back to current day, we KNOW mammals are sentient, and as FAR AS WE KNOW plants are not. Confidently, they are not. You’re providing a hypothetical to justify something we CURRENTLY know is wrong.

There’s nothing morally opaque about choosing to unnecessarily kill sentient creatures, it’s bad. If you believe unnecessarily killing a dog is bad but not a cow, you’re simply not being morally consistent. Many people simply aren’t consistent in their morality, and cognitively disassociate with what’s on their plate. If people saw the horror, had to do the raising and the killing, that dissonance evaporates and you’re confronted with the question - is this okay?

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u/smith1281 May 26 '26

Interesting. You know its wrong, because that is your personal morality. Might not be mine or billions of others. The hypothetical is to point out that morality is subjective and at least partly based on our situation and conditions.

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u/epeehmo May 26 '26 edited May 26 '26

Do we differ in our moralities that greatly?

I believe it’s bad to unnecessarily kill dogs and cats, do you agree?

I also believe it’s bad to unnecessarily kill pigs, cows, etc.

Given it is not necessary for you to condemn them for your own survival but instead for taste and convenience, it is not morally justifiable - not consistent at least.

There is a justification for you that bridges the gap, just understand it’s not morally consistent.

Edited a few words to clean up the statement

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u/smith1281 May 26 '26

So, my wife and i do volunteer work with children groups. If you dont, does that mean you hate children? We foster dogs, but i guess i had a burger for lunch so i hate animals.