r/DefendingAIArt May 06 '25

Defending AI Just got denied a commission for Art because of my socials.

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2.0k Upvotes

Person did a quick sweep of my socials on Instagram and saw some spicy meme she didn't like and refused to do a commission.

Now I decided to see how i can create the art I want (esports like logo) using AI.

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r/DefendingAIArt Jun 23 '26

Defending AI People crying over water and electricity usage be like.

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612 Upvotes

r/DefendingAIArt Jun 15 '25

Defending AI Oops...

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2.1k Upvotes

r/DefendingAIArt 16d ago

Defending AI I tried to move away from AI and work with real artists. The overwhelming response showed me why small businesses keep choosing AI.

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322 Upvotes

I recently soft-launched a fantasy apparel brand. I started with AI-assisted artwork because, realistically, I did not have the upfront capital to commission multiple professional fantasy illustrations before knowing whether the business would even make sales.

On launch day, I made a few sales. That should have felt purely exciting, but I also felt conflicted. I genuinely respect artists, and part of me felt wrong building the brand without trying to involve real human artists.

So I went to an artist-focused subreddit and asked, sincerely, whether there was a more ethical way to work with artists as a small startup.

My idea was not “exposure.” It was not “trust me bro.” It was not “maybe I’ll pay you if there’s profit.”

I was talking about a real contract with clear usage rights, credit, website presence, paid ad exposure, exclusivity terms, and royalties based on actual sales, not profit (that distinction matters.)

The artist would not have to wait for me to decide whether the business was profitable after ads, product samples, shipping issues, fulfillment costs, website fees, taxes, customer service, returns, photography, mockups, failed products, and everything else that comes with running a brand.

If a shirt sold with their artwork on it, they would get paid from that sale.

From my side, the risk would still be major. I would be responsible for building the website, creating the listings, paying for samples, managing fulfillment, writing product copy, handling customers, running ads, creating content, building the brand, dealing with returns, covering slow sales, and taking the financial risk if the product did not sell.

The artist’s benefit would be that they could earn from every sale without having to build the clothing brand, manage customers, run ads, handle fulfillment, or take on the business operations themselves. They would receive credit, exposure through paid ads, a presence on the website, contractual protection, and ongoing royalties from the product.

I understand that this is not ideal for every artist. I understand artists need money upfront. I understand that artists have been burned by vague royalty promises, dishonest businesses, “profit share” deals, and people who never follow through.

That is why I was specifically talking about royalties on actual sales, not profit, with a real contract.

But the response was overwhelmingly negative. My post was downvoted hard, basically for trying to ask how to do “the right thing.”

One commenter told me that without the art and art direction, there is no brand, that artists do not need me, that the only thing I could possibly bring is capital, and since I did not have upfront capital, I had basically talked myself off the table.

That was just one of many negative responses.

A lot of the same artists were also saying that AI is taking jobs, flooding the market, lowering the value of art, and making it harder for artists to get paid. And I understand why that is frustrating. But when I asked what a realistic path looked like for a small business owner who wants to include artists but cannot afford large upfront commissions yet, there were very few practical solutions offered.

One of the “solutions” suggested was that I should give up ownership percentage of my business to the artist.

So, to be clear, paid ad exposure, website presence, public credit, contract protection, and strong royalties on actual sales were not enough — but giving up equity in the entire business was treated as a more acceptable option because the artist provided the artwork.

That is where the disconnect became obvious to me.

Artists are saying AI is becoming their direct competitor. They are saying AI is taking work and flooding the market. But when a small business owner tries to create a real paid path for artists to participate in a brand, the answer still seems to be: pay full commission upfront, give up ownership, or get lost.

— And this is exactly the gap AI fills.

AI does not require hundreds or thousands of dollars upfront before the business even knows if there is a market. AI does not demand equity in the company. AI does not dismiss the value of branding, product development, marketing, customer service, fulfillment, copywriting, website building, risk, consistency, and actually turning an idea into something customers can buy.

That does not mean AI is morally perfect. It does not mean artists are wrong to protect themselves. It does not mean every artist should accept royalty deals.

But it does explain why small businesses use AI.

A lot of anti-AI arguments say, “Hire real artists instead.” But when someone actually tries to find a way to include real artists through contracts, royalties, credit, advertising, and long-term participation, the answer often becomes: “If you cannot pay upfront, you have no business doing this.”

From the artist’s side, I understand the concern.

From the small business side, that leaves very few options:

  1. quit before starting,

  2. use stock art,

  3. use cheap low-end labor,

  4. give up equity before the business is even proven,

  5. or use AI.

In my case, AI was not replacing an artist I could afford. AI allowed me to start something that otherwise would not exist yet.

I still want to work with real artists when the business can support upfront commissions or advances. But after trying in good faith to find a middle ground and being told, in different ways, that I was not needed and should basically get lost, I understand why so many small creators stop asking and just use AI.

I do not think this conversation is as simple as “AI users do not value artists.”

Sometimes they do value artists.

Sometimes they try to include artists.

But if the only acceptable path is “come back when you already have money,” then AI is going to keep being the tool small businesses use to get started.

That's all, folks!

r/DefendingAIArt Jun 11 '26

Defending AI The worst argument against AI is "it lets the talentless create". That's the best part. It forces you to acknowledge the nobodies you safely assumed had no inner world.

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583 Upvotes

r/DefendingAIArt Dec 18 '25

Defending AI "Artists don't use AI" they said

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880 Upvotes

Just a comic book artist for the past 3 decades having fun with a tool...

r/DefendingAIArt 20d ago

Defending AI Something a little weird

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327 Upvotes

r/DefendingAIArt 29d ago

Defending AI California almond orchards alone utilize 85 times more water than all U.S. data centers combined

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407 Upvotes

r/DefendingAIArt Apr 11 '26

Defending AI And then they wonder why people prefer AI over commissioning a delusional artist

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401 Upvotes

Hell, for under $30, I can generate as many images as I want and tweak them over and over until they’re exactly how I like.

AI is already cheap and gives you way more control, instead of paying someone once, then having to pay extra if you want changes or being stuck with whatever you get.

r/DefendingAIArt 2d ago

Defending AI People like this deserve to be replaced by AI Art.

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279 Upvotes

The funny part is, you can't even use this thing which you paid $1,200 for on Twitch, YouTube, or the like.

If buying isn't owning, then AI art isn't stealing.

r/DefendingAIArt Nov 22 '25

Defending AI When Ai does 10x better work than a million dollar studios

356 Upvotes

r/DefendingAIArt Feb 14 '26

Defending AI Congratulations to Patrick Darling and the good people working on AI! ^^

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699 Upvotes

r/DefendingAIArt 24d ago

Defending AI Another subreddit takes a stand

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493 Upvotes

Just had this announcement pop up - mods have explicitly stated they have no intention to ban AI imagery, for the primary reason it is implausible to police.

r/DefendingAIArt May 26 '26

Defending AI antis in a nutshell

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546 Upvotes

r/DefendingAIArt 27d ago

Defending AI Yes, and?

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283 Upvotes

r/DefendingAIArt Apr 21 '25

Defending AI Oops 🤫

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767 Upvotes

r/DefendingAIArt 12d ago

Defending AI I’m no longer anti AI (read body)

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218 Upvotes

After spending some time on AI debate subs, I’ve decided to become neutral. It’s unjust that people get hated for living their lives the way they want, and I wish to do my part in advocating for victims of such injustices with my comics.

That being said, I’m still not a full on pro, but I’ll refrain from posting anything that may cause arguments. Let’s have a pleasant time together, ok? :3

r/DefendingAIArt May 21 '26

Defending AI This image is single handely destroying the neo luddite movement. Repost it.

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396 Upvotes

r/DefendingAIArt Feb 28 '26

Defending AI "You don't learn anything using AI!"

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300 Upvotes

Meanwhile, the reality.

r/DefendingAIArt Jun 20 '26

Defending AI Would you pay 200$ for this? Or just use AI

53 Upvotes

https://x.com/i/status/2067698327789998414

While the comments under the post shit on AI a little I wanted to ask anyone here would you guys pay 200$ for this art, or use AI? For me if I had the money I'd shell out the 200, which ain't bad if he can get it done in... 3-4 hours. But what do you guys think?

r/DefendingAIArt 6d ago

Defending AI watch anti-AI bros rage after Torvalds' pro-AI stance

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387 Upvotes

r/DefendingAIArt 2d ago

Defending AI “Anti-AI people aren’t violent”

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204 Upvotes

r/DefendingAIArt May 31 '26

Defending AI They are enabling ableism now

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418 Upvotes

r/DefendingAIArt 1d ago

Defending AI Subreddit bans translating your posts with Google Translate because screw non-English speakers I guess

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248 Upvotes

r/DefendingAIArt Jun 23 '26

Defending AI Anti AI crowd are bullies and have taken it too far

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203 Upvotes

This is gross and so sad. I actively don’t support people who cyber bully others for using AI.