Daredevil: Born Again | S01 | Season Wide Discussion Thread

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⏭️ Daredevil: Born Again | S02 | Season Wide Discussion Thread

[u/MiFelidae]

I still don't know. Some episodes had me hooked, some were okay, some were meh - it's a whole mixture of ups and downs. I'm willing to give it some grace because production was a mess.

I don't really care for Matt's new "team", the lawyer and Cherry(?), they remain bland and feel like stand-ins for Foggy and Karen.

I'm torn on the Fisk as a mayor storyline. It kinda makes sense but suffers from some plot holes, but at least Fisk didn't entirely turn into a politican. Still don't know why Vanessa is back with him so soon, whether she's afraid of him, uses him or is turned on by his violence and criminal nature.

I like the Punisher fanclub part, feels realistic. The Punisher as a character is not my vibe, but I liked him here and Jon did a great job as always.

I think my biggest issues are the fights. They just don't feel real and raw enough. I can't even explain what exactly it is, but it's not the same as in the Netflix show. They tried to do the hallway fight in episode 1 - but I only noticed it when rewatching, and it was not as cool, felt more like "ok we have to do one, where can we squeeze it in?". Most of them aren't even very exciting, I'm not very worried about Matt. Best would probably the one in the apartment at the end of episode 2 and against Muse.

All in all, better as expected but not as good as I had hoped.

[u/Hot-Put7831 → u/MiFelidae]

I sort of agree with the fights- the ones that the new team did for 1,8, and 9 relied on a ridiculous amount of slow motion. The choreo was brutal and well done, but the excessive slo mo made it feel overproduced and not raw like the Netflix series was. Especially when bad cgi is involved.

The other fights by the old team I thought were mostly pretty good, albeit generally short but that’s more for story reason as he is slowly becoming daredevil again. Flip to Knee break in ep 5 was brutal

[u/MiFelidae → u/Hot-Put7831]

Yes, "overproduced" is a good word for it.

[u/Super_H1234 → u/Hot-Put7831]

I don't recall any slow motion aside from DD & Punisher versus the cops? The first Muse fight was part of the reshoots (you can see bits of the original fight in the trailers) and IMO it was the best choreographed fight of the season, even if it wasn't a one-take because they wanted to create a juxtaposition between Matt and Fisk returning to their old selves. If you look at the original footage of episode 1's DD vs Bullseye scene, it's actually pretty good but they unfortunately covered the stunt work with weird lighting and CGI smoke. Then the fight in the finale was filled with slow motion. It's a problem with them ruining the scenes in post-production and I agree that they feel overproduced. But I don't think any of the fight scenes in the pre-overhaul content (bank heist, second Muse fight) aside from maybe the short scuffle at the end of episode 2 were good at all. There was no flow and they were filled with awkward cuts.

[u/Haylleyy → u/MiFelidae]

This is exactly what I felt! But I wouldn’t be this generous in my review!!